Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Bob and All, > Submitting AERs is a way of showing > the public that we are not the bad guys, that we are acting in good faith, > and that we are trying to be mature, responsible medical professionals. If " we " are doing the data collection, we can follow-up to be sure that these reports are substantially correct so that there is someone in a position to respond to official and journalistic misadventure. I don't know how many of the ma huang reactions were for applications having nothing to do with Chinese medicine or that were uses contrary to Chinese medical principle, but if we did know we would be in a much better position in any law suit. Bob Robert L. Felt bob Paradigm Publications www.paradigm-pubs.com 202 Bendix Drive 505 758 7758 Taos, New Mexico 87571 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 How many acupuncturists see patients suffering from the adverse reactions of pharmaceuticals? Does anyone report these. These should not be ignored but reported each and every time that a western pharmaceutical drug causes an adverse reaction. I am of the opinion that adverse reactions from pharmaceutical drugs are greatly under-reported. Barry Thorne _____ Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 I see them (drug reactions) constantly, and treat them as part of the clinical picture. If the reaction is very strong, I have them report to their physician to adjust dosage or change medications (without suggesting what that adjustment or change should be). On Apr 9, 2004, at 3:58 PM, Barry Thorne wrote: > How many acupuncturists see patients suffering from the adverse > reactions of > pharmaceuticals? Does anyone report these. These should not be > ignored > but reported each and every time that a western pharmaceutical drug > causes > an adverse reaction. I am of the opinion that adverse reactions from > pharmaceutical drugs are greatly under-reported. > > > > Barry Thorne > > > > > > _____ > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including > board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and > a free > discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Barry, The FDA estmates they only receive 1% of adverse events. Although they do not go on to say this, therefore, if they receive one, I reckon they assume there are 99 others of a similar nature. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Bob is there any system in place by the FDA for collecting adverse events of non pharmaceuticals? Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 I agree that it is underreported. Even with that, according to JAMA, drug complications including only drugs prescribed properly and taken properly are the 4th leading cause of death in the US. How incredible is that? Chris In a message dated 4/11/2004 6:42:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thornedist writes: How many acupuncturists see patients suffering from the adverse reactions of pharmaceuticals? Does anyone report these. These should not be ignored but reported each and every time that a western pharmaceutical drug causes an adverse reaction. I am of the opinion that adverse reactions from pharmaceutical drugs are greatly under-reported. Barry Thorne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 While many acupuncturists treat western medication interactions, if those acupuncturists reported those adverse reactions it would give us more information in the benefits versus dangers debate. The number in reported to be as much as five times higher than reported. So why not report some of these AERs yourselves? Why let the western medical establishment off so easy with such a low incidence of AERs reported? Barry _____ * I see them (drug reactions) constantly, and treat them as part of the clinical picture. If the reaction is very strong, I have them report to their physician to adjust dosage or change medications (without suggesting what that adjustment or change should be). * . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Barry, Good idea on reporting Adverse Drug Effects . . .does anyone know who to report them to? Any forms used? A specific person to address them to or copy to? Maybe Pacific would like to start it? Thanks. Susan Froehlich, LAc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 I've said before that we need a central 'databank' to record adverse drug and herb reactions or interactions. I've run it by Pacific College in the past. Perhaps it is time to bring it up again. On Apr 13, 2004, at 6:31 AM, Barry Thorne wrote: > While many acupuncturists treat western medication interactions, if > those > acupuncturists reported those adverse reactions it would give us more > information in the benefits versus dangers debate. The number in > reported > to be as much as five times higher than reported. So why not report > some of > these AERs yourselves? Why let the western medical establishment off > so > easy with such a low incidence of AERs reported? > > > > Barry > > > > _____ > > > > > > * I see them (drug reactions) constantly, and treat them as part of > the > clinical picture. If the reaction is very strong, I have them report > to their physician to adjust dosage or change medications (without > suggesting what that adjustment or change should be). > > > > > * . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Have we had a conversation about treating drug side effects? What happens when we go into that territory? Both legally and medically. doug , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > I've said before that we need a central 'databank' to record adverse > drug and herb reactions or interactions. I've run it by Pacific > College in the past. Perhaps it is time to bring it up again. > > > On Apr 13, 2004, at 6:31 AM, Barry Thorne wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 I think RCHM still has the yellow card scheme going although do not remember the ins and outs of the scheme but a good start would be to contact RCHM England. They seam to have some good experience and good contacts with the above sort of things... What about Bruce Pomerance (Name mist spelt) did not someone of such name do a big study that of course was highly criticise? Now if we could state the objectives of such endower more people would probably become involved east west practitioners... Marco Hence the objects are? - <SusFro Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:26 AM Re: AER's > Barry, > > Good idea on reporting Adverse Drug Effects . . .does anyone know who to > report them to? Any forms used? A specific person to address them to or copy to? > Maybe Pacific would like to start it? > > Thanks. > > Susan Froehlich, LAc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Dear Dough, I am not sure but it might be a terretory where one could show the positive effects of Chinese medicine and hence have yet one more reaseon for good high standard of care-practice of Oriential Chinese medicine... Beshides is this not what mainline china has been promolugating for years? Marco - " " Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:16 AM Re: AER's > Have we had a conversation about treating drug side effects? What happens when we > go into that territory? Both legally and medically. > doug > > , " " <zrosenbe@s...> > wrote: > > I've said before that we need a central 'databank' to record adverse > > drug and herb reactions or interactions. I've run it by Pacific > > College in the past. Perhaps it is time to bring it up again. > > > > > > On Apr 13, 2004, at 6:31 AM, Barry Thorne wrote: > > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Hi Z'ev, Maybe even a central 'databank' that record adverse synthetic drugs REACTIONS and how it possibly could be dealt with with Chinese medicine ALSO... marco > I've said before that we need a central 'databank' to record adverse > drug and herb reactions or interactions. I've run it by Pacific > College in the past. Perhaps it is time to bring it up again. > > > On Apr 13, 2004, at 6:31 AM, Barry Thorne wrote: > > > While many acupuncturists treat western medication interactions, if > > those > > acupuncturists reported those adverse reactions it would give us more > > information in the benefits versus dangers debate. The number in > > reported > > to be as much as five times higher than reported. So why not report > > some of > > these AERs yourselves? Why let the western medical establishment off > > so > > easy with such a low incidence of AERs reported? > > > > > > > > Barry > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > * I see them (drug reactions) constantly, and treat them as part of > > the > > clinical picture. If the reaction is very strong, I have them report > > to their physician to adjust dosage or change medications (without > > suggesting what that adjustment or change should be). > > > > > > > > > > * . > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Where is the best place to report these? Barry Thorne <thornedist wrote: While many acupuncturists treat western medication interactions, if those acupuncturists reported those adverse reactions it would give us more information in the benefits versus dangers debate. The number in reported to be as much as five times higher than reported. So why not report some of these AERs yourselves? Why let the western medical establishment off so easy with such a low incidence of AERs reported? Barry _____ * I see them (drug reactions) constantly, and treat them as part of the clinical picture. If the reaction is very strong, I have them report to their physician to adjust dosage or change medications (without suggesting what that adjustment or change should be). * . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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