Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Hi Attilio, Doug, Emmanuel, Pete, Z'ev, & All, Attilio wrote: > The idea of spirit in medicine (and everything else) is something > that can only be sought and not given. Agreed. Belief in, and training in the use of, " Spirit " rest with eash person. However, study, discussion and experience can influence (build or alter) belief and practice. > I don't understand why you bother to convince others of spirit in > medicine. For me, Spirit is as real as the keyboard that accepts symbols of these thoughts. IMO, society (including acupuncture / medical society) has become far too materialistic. It has forgotten or discarded as irrelevant concepts of spirituality that add great meaning in an apparently meaningless world. That is why I and many others raise these questions with any students and practitioners who may be interested. Those not interested can delete the mails. I do not convince (or try to convince) anybody! I only question and comment on by own beliefs and experiences, and those of others. We all take what we need from these discussions, and ignore that which does not find resonance within us. Each of us must find our own way, but it can be useful to discuss the ways of others also. See mails from Emmanuel, Ze'v, and Doug, below. [Thanks All!] Peace to all, Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Z'ev wrote: Phil, As far as intention goes, I didn't talk about it here because a few months ago, I wrote a long post on yi/intention in Chinese medicine as one of its most important components. I didn't want to repeat myself, but sometimes forget that e-mails quickly get lost in the digital shuffle. Volker Scheid wrote an excellent article on yi/intention available at the Seattle Institute of Oriental Medicine website. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug wrote: " MEDICINE IS SIGNIFICATION " - MOVING TOWARDS HEALING POWER IN THE CHINESE MEDICAL TRADITION, by Volker Scheid Ph.D. and Dan Bensky D.O. http://www.siom.com/resources/texts/articles.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Emmanuel wrote: Hi Phil, Perhaps it's age, experience, many losses, many gains and survival in to better times ... but I agree with your perspective whole heatedly. I'm a Sufi priest ... and my initial training in my twenties so thoroughly healed me that I went on to medical and graduate school with enormous strength, patience and humility ... I wanted only to serve, and still do. In my spiritual training as well it is said that the message which you have just delivered can only be a clarion to a few and but a lullaby to the many. So most will reject what you've said. Such is life. Most people " recognize " and, thus, can not " see " . To me it's hard to imagine that CM can arise from anywhere but mysticism ... an empirical or phenomenological mysticism at times. To me CM is a wealth of mythos and mysticism ... a living thing. Science is merely fact ... a dead thing ... merely snapshots of life. CM, and healing in general, is " Life finding a way ... " Mysticism is not mere fact ... it's the truth ... most often hidden from sight by a veil of tears. The one place that science is not likely to ever look for " facts " . All the Best, Emmanuel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pete wrote: Hi Dr. (Fr.) Phil! <g>, I kind of do the " God as you understand God " in my own practice. I tell the patients that their physical experience will be better as their relation with God (as they understand God) improves. Usually, the religion they grew up with is closest to their roots. If the religion of youth was an avenue for people to abuse them, though, it is problematic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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