Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Below is a short discussion on the 8 Extraordinary meridians with questions= for practitioners. I am particularly interested to hear from herbalists if= they consciously use an understanding of these in their herb prescriptions= .. I understand Chip Chace is translating Li Shi Zhen's work on the 8 Extras a= nd I can't wait to read it. This is purely to help me to sort out the clinical relevance on the 8 Extra= s and I am happy to post into the archive any compilation of comments I get. The Eight Extraordinary Channels(Vessels)/Eight Extra Meridians Qijingbamai Ææ¾°ËÂö [Ææ½›°ËÃ}] Dumai ¶½Âö [¶½Ã}] Governor vessel Renmai ÈÎÂö [ÈÎÃ}] Conception(controller) vessel Chongmai ³åÂö [ÐnÃ}] Thoroughfare vessel Daimai ´øÂö [Ž§Ã}] Belt vessel Yangqiaomai ÑôõÎÂö [ê–ÜEÃ}] Yang heel vessel Yangweimai ÑôάÂö [ê–¾SÃ}] Yang link vessel Yinqiaomai ÒõõÎÂö [êŽÜEÃ}] Yin heel vessel Yinweimai ÒõάÂö [ꎾSÃ}] Yin link vessel In a recent seminar in Sydney Stephen Birch reiterated what he and Kiiko Matsumoto had said in their book - essentially, the way in which the 8 Ext= ras are used in Western acupuncture has no grounding in TCM classical literatur= e. According to Birch (and there is no reason to doubt the thoroughness of his= and Matsumoto¡¯s translations ) there are a few key functions offered in the classical literature : ¡¤ They represent a deep system involved in important bodily functions, such as, the 7 and 8 year cycles that pattern men and women¡¯s l= ives and they act like oceans; ¡¤ They are a back-up storage system; ¡¤ They may be related to some deep energy systems like yuan qi; ¡¤ They point to a convenient system of 8 treatment points; ¡¤ They can be treated by particular herbs (Li Shi Zhen, 1570); ¡¤ They bear no relation to other TCM theories/concepts ¨C such as 5 phases(wu xing), 5 transport (shu) points, zang-fu relationships (except th= e Dumai to the kidney), interior-exterior relationships, etc. Xu Feng in the Zhen Jiu Da Chuan in 1437 offers, says Birch, the first correlation between the 8 treatment points and the 8 extraordinary vessels = and pairs them in the way they are familiar to practitioners today. Birch showed that much that is said about 8 Extras (eg. By Maciocia, Ross, = Seem, Low, Pirog, Helms ) has no basis in classical TCM literature and is/maybe actually an artifact of poor/made up translation by Chamfault & = Van Nghi in the 1960s/70s. Since the 1980s many have taken these associations as a contraindication fo= r the treatment of the extraordinary vessels or as a precaution about their uses, none of which can be found in the historical or modern Chinese or Japanese literatures. [birch, 2004 Handout at Sydney lecture] The test, of course, is what works in clinic. This may, in fact, be only = a test of the power of the practitioner¡¯s intention or it may substantiate the contemporary theories about the 8 Extras (whatever their source). It is my intention to compile a paper on the uses practitioners make of the= 8 Extras in their own clinics. I ask that you take the time to answer the following questions and return them to me. I will happily acknowledge (or= not if you wish) your contribution and provide you a copy of my completed paper= .. 1. Do you consciously use 8 Extra treatments? a. Using herbs? b. Using acupuncture? c. Other (eg. Moxa, ion pumping cords) 2. What do you understand an¡®8 Extra treatment¡¯to be? 3. What is your rationale for using an 8 Extra treatment? 4. What presenting signs & symptoms trigger their use? 5. Are there specific pulse indicators which direct you to an 8 Extra treatment? 6. It is often said try everything else first and then use 8 Extras. Do you take account of this in your clinic? If so, why? 7. Are 8 Extra treatments usually one-off treatments? 8. Do you approach treatments for males/females using a particular left/right protocol? What do you understand is the theoretical basis for this? 9. Can you get access to the ¡®reservoirs¡¯ without ¡®opening¡¯ the 8 Extras? 10. How do you follow up? Or what do you use after an 8 Extra treatment? 11. Do the herbs entering the 8 Extras influence herb prescriptions? 12. Are there dangers/contraindications for using 8 Extras? 13. From whom did you learn about 8 Extras and their treatment? Did any of your Chinese/Japanese/Korean teachers use them? 14. Can you give brief case examples of successful 8 Extra treatments. Thank you. Forward responses to or send via email: Sue Cochrane Traditional Chinese Acupuncture & Herbs Shop 8 The Hub 45 Wynyard Street Tumut NSW 2720 Australia Phone: 02-69474404 Email : suecochrane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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