Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Hi Yehuda, > There is a " segula " brought down to heal hepatitis as follows: Take > a male dove for a man, and a female dove for a women, and place its > bottom firmly against the umbilicus. What occured with me, was > truly beyond the rational: the first bird made a rhythmic, > sqwaking sound as if it was gasping for breath, after a firm > connection was made. It felt to me like sucking or the feeling > when one has cupping done to them. After about 10 such gasps, it > died. This strange process occurred with 10 more doves, (actually, > on the 7th dove it didn't work, but then upon examination we > realized that it was a female dove!) and then nothing happened, to > the 12th. I was cured of hepatitis and actually drank wine without > consequence, within a month. Interestingly, when autopsy was done > at Hadassah hospital, (not in my case)it was found that the doves > died of asphyxiation, and not of hepatitis. Can you explain it? > Energy imbalance sounds pretty new agey to me, but what else can > you say rationally. This is not an isolated phenomenum, either, > but is well known and frequently practiced in Jewish traditional > circles. Oops! The RSPCA (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty in Anmiams) would not like to hear that one! Have you feedback from others who used this cure? Is if=t usual for the birds to die, or was that in your case only? There are many strange and effective folk-cures in Ireland. I will not go into details of the methods used here. However, I have seen, or had feedback from clients who claimed, rapid and excellent results from " irrational " cures. These included parasirism and poor thrive in children, ringworm, internal bleeding in animals or humans, redwater in cows (massive haemolysis due to babesiosis), shingles (herpes), eye-styes, warts, radiation burns post surgery + radiation in mammary cancer, etc. I have great respect for ancient wisdom, rational or irrational, when it works. I have also great respect for those who recognise Spirit and the reality of energy-healing at a distance. IMO, prayer, Yi / Intention and Qigong (directed thoughts and/or Qi) can be helpful in some cases. But if I have a fractured bone, acute infection, acute pain, etc, I would use conventional methods as first- line Tx, and other methods (including the irrational in some cases) as support Tx only! Best Regards, Phil PS: Yehuda, to Tx hepatitis in future, instead of the sacrifice of a dozen doves, consider AP & CHM (or Ayurvedic Liv52)! If that fails, and the Dove Cure is used, tell the Rabbi (or person holding he dove) not to hold the bird too tightly along its airway ;-)) Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Hi Phil, > Oops! The RSPCA (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty in > Anmiams) would not like to hear that one! I must tell you, that I have NEVER felt so sick in my life. My liver had virtually shut down, and though I have an affinity for animals and they for me, my personal belief and practice which is consistant with that of Traditional Judaism, is that we have an obligation to be kind to animals and cause them no pain UNLESS the well being of humans is at stake. According to our tradition, all mankind is governed by 7 basic commandments (not 10 as is commonly assumed) of moral behavior one of which is to cause no crueltty to animals, and not tear a limb from a living being. I personally eat no red meat, chicken once a week and fish serves as my only other source of animal protein. We view mankind as paradoxically, as both the crown of creation as well as the stewards of it. We need to respect, honor and improve the world, yet the world has been given to us to as a gift for our benefit. > Have you feedback from others who used this cure? Is if=t usual for > the birds to die, or was that in your case only? I have spoken to many others who have also witnessed or participated in the dove cure, and all describe it as I have, ALWAYS working. > There are many strange and effective folk-cures in Ireland. I will > not > go into details of the methods used here. However, I have seen, or > had feedback from clients who claimed, rapid and excellent results > from " irrational " cures. These included parasirism and poor thrive > in > children, ringworm, internal bleeding in animals or humans, > redwater in cows (massive haemolysis due to babesiosis), shingles > (herpes), eye-styes, warts, radiation burns post surgery + radiation > > in mammary cancer, etc. > > I have great respect for ancient wisdom, rational or irrational, > when > it works. I have also great respect for those who recognise Spirit > and the reality of energy-healing at a distance. > > IMO, prayer, Yi / Intention and Qigong (directed thoughts and/or Qi) > > can be helpful in some cases. But if I have a fractured bone, acute > infection, acute pain, etc, I would use conventional methods as > first- > line Tx, and other methods (including the irrational in some cases) > as support Tx only! I agree with you 100% Western medicine, particularly orthopedics lends itself beautifully to integration. > Best Regards, > Phil > > PS: Yehuda, to Tx hepatitis in future, instead of the sacrifice of a > dozen doves, consider AP & CHM (or Ayurvedic Liv52)! If that fails, > and the Dove Cure is used, tell the Rabbi (or person holding he > dove) not to hold the bird too tightly along its airway ;-)) Two things: 1. This was in 1982 and I knew little about AP or CHM, 2. Because of our great respect for all life (as described above) it would have been forbidden for the person holding the doves to have been holding them tightly or to have hurt them. It was a matter of creating the firm contact and then the " pumping " phenomenum occured as I described .. 'hope I've answered your questions. Best wishes, Yehuda ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 , yehuda l frischman <@j...> wrote: > Two things: > 1. This was in 1982 and I knew little about AP or CHM, > 2. Because of our great respect for all life (as described above) it > would have been forbidden for the person holding the doves to have been > holding them tightly or to have hurt them. It was a matter of creating > the firm contact and then the " pumping " phenomenum occured as I described to quote you earlier: " my personal belief and practice which is consistant with that of Traditional Judaism, is that we have an obligation to be kind to animals and cause them no pain UNLESS the well being of humans is at stake " So, the bird could have been choked to death because the well being of a human was at stake. Brian C. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 > > I have spoken to many others who have also witnessed or participated in > the dove cure, and all describe it as I have, ALWAYS working. Would pigeons work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Yes, I have heard that they are essentially the same bird, and both work. On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:10:43 -0400 <snakeoil.works writes: > > > > > I have spoken to many others who have also witnessed or > participated in > > the dove cure, and all describe it as I have, ALWAYS working. > > > Would pigeons work? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Well, we have plenty of pigeons here in NYC. Some say too many. But there seem to be way too few doves in the world. There i go sounding racist. May peace be in your heart and your liver. ab Yes, I have heard that they are essentially the same bird, and both work. On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:10:43 -0400 <snakeoil.works writes: > > > > > I have spoken to many others who have also witnessed or > participated in > > the dove cure, and all describe it as I have, ALWAYS working. > > > Would pigeons work? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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