Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 > Why do we (the Mind) create Constrictions (obstructions) in our > bodies? It seems like it can go under the general headings of > desire to not " reveal " or to " hold on " - to Restrict. Given the > effect that restricted teeth growth can have on the entire meridian > system, it is interesting that the latest fad in children is > constricted the natural growth of teeth using braces. I wonder why? > Rich I agree with Phil--the bottom line is a combination of ignorance, media mind-binding and of course, the holy $ ( or whatever other currency). From an acupuncturist with a craniosacral perspective, there is no question that much damage is done to the sphenoid, hard palate, vomer,palatines, and even zygomatic bones. From an acupuncture perspective, imagine permanent needles in the stomach, L.I., ren, & du meridians. Quite a depleting burdon no? And how depressing to spend so much money, and cause so much pain, when a good craniosacral therapist could easily, and painlessly, resolve most orthodontic problems. Yehuda ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 , yehuda l frischman <@j...> wrote: >. And how depressing to spend so > much money, and cause so much pain, when a good craniosacral therapist > could easily, and painlessly, resolve most orthodontic problems. > > Yehuda > Yehuda and all, Do you have any proof that CST can really resolve most orthodontic problems? Forgive me for being a cynic but this sounds like wishful thinking. Jill Likkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Hi Jill, A little background:Dr. Upledger, the discoverer of the craniosacral system, found that the sutures of the skull, contrary to what is taught in western medical schools, do not fuse shortly after birth (Incidentally, Italian anatomists havealways taught that this).but rather meet in connections known as synchondroses, whereby spongy cartilage of two cranial bones form a union which is pliable, and significantly, easily jammed together as a result of trauma (yes, braces can be considered a physical traumatic). He also discovered that the production of cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) which takes place in the choroid plexuses of the cerebral ventricles is released through a semi-closed hydraulic system, that is contained in the waterproof dura mater. This system extends down from the skull vault to the sacrococcygeal complex where it is anchored. There are many systems which directly impact the production and release of this fluid, but the most dramatic is the neuromechanism which stretches and compressed the receptors in the sagittal suture along the du channel, between du 19 & du 22, and acts as a synchondrosis for the two parietal bones. When the saggital suture is stretched open by increased fluid pressure within this dural container which we call the " dural tube " the stretch receptors send a neural signal down to the choroid plexuses to either stop or reduce the production of CSF . WHen the fluid dissipates the suture compresses causing a nerve signal to be sent to the choroid plexuses to again begin production. Under healthy circumstances CSF is produced for about 3 seconds and then shut down for about 3 seconds. This creates a rhythmical rise and fall of fluid pressure within the system. Because there is a fascial " highway " which connects every inch of tissue in the body, this rhythm can be felt anywhere in the body. A trained craniosacral therapist can therefore feel a lack of rhythm or balance and by treating those areas the sources of dysfunction can be resolved. Now in additon to the saggital suture, which connects directly to the dural tube, there are also, as I mentioned synchondroses between every cranial bone. Like a dance, the bones are constantly moving in harmony with each other, gently flexing and extending rhythmically. When one uses braces, they impede this process. In CranioSacral II, we learn the protocol for hard papate evaluation and correction, and by releasing lesions in the TMJ, as well as the maxillary-palatine complex, the vomer, the zygomata, the temporal bones, and the nasal bones, the bite can be normalized without pain and the tremendous expense of orthodontics. For more information or to find a referral, check out www.upledger.com. Best of luck, Yehuda On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 07:20:56 -0000 " Jill A. Likkel " <jlikkel writes: > , yehuda l frischman > <@j...> wrote: > >. And how depressing to spend so > > much money, and cause so much pain, when a good craniosacral > therapist > > could easily, and painlessly, resolve most orthodontic problems. > > > > Yehuda > > > Yehuda and all, > Do you have any proof that CST can really resolve most orthodontic > problems? Forgive me for being a cynic but this sounds like wishful > > thinking. > Jill Likkel > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 , yehuda l frischman <@j...> wrote: > Now in additon to the saggital suture, which connects directly to the > dural tube, there are also, as I mentioned synchondroses between every > cranial bone. Like a dance, the bones are constantly moving in harmony > with each other, gently flexing and extending rhythmically. When one uses > braces, they impede this process. In CranioSacral II, we learn the > protocol for hard papate evaluation and correction, and by releasing > lesions in the TMJ, as well as the maxillary-palatine complex, the > vomer, the zygomata, the temporal bones, and the nasal bones, the bite > can be normalized without pain and the tremendous expense of > orthodontics. For more information or to find a referral, check out > www.upledger.com. > On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 07:20:56 -0000 " Jill A. Likkel " > <jlikkel@a...> writes: > > , yehuda l frischman > > <@j...> wrote: > > >. And how depressing to spend so > > > much money, and cause so much pain, when a good craniosacral > > therapist > > > could easily, and painlessly, resolve most orthodontic problems. > > > > > > Yehuda > > > > > Yehuda and all, > > Do you have any proof that CST can really resolve most orthodontic > > problems? Forgive me for being a cynic but this sounds like wishful > > > > thinking. > > Jill Likkel So, to make a very long " story " short, no Yehuda did not give any proof that it would work. I think " before and after " pictures of the teeth along with some kind of proof that no other interventions other than carniosacral therpary were used would suffice. In fact, if this sort of thing really did happen, I would think that evidence would be forthright and easily available on the web for all to see and seek out as an alternative to the standard orthodontic protocols. Brian C. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Dear Jill and Brian, I am a practitioner, not a researcher. I have adolescent patients who, after getting braces and suffering excruciating headaches, had them completely resolved using CranioSacral therapy (CST). The Upledger institute in Florida can refer you to the many resources and studies verifying the efficacy of craniosacral therapy for orthodontic dysfunction. Literally hundreds of papers have been published on CST many in mainstream medical journals, and I would suggest that should the subject interest you, that you explore the Upledger.com site and perhaps do a google search of something like craniosacral therapy orthodontia. Literally, over 60,000 therapist have been trained by the Upledger institute. Sincerely, Yehuda On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 05:32:15 -0000 " bcataiji " <bcaom writes: > , yehuda l frischman > <@j...> wrote: > > > Now in additon to the saggital suture, which connects directly > to the > > dural tube, there are also, as I mentioned synchondroses between > every > > cranial bone. Like a dance, the bones are constantly moving in > harmony > > with each other, gently flexing and extending rhythmically. When > one > uses > > braces, they impede this process. In CranioSacral II, we learn the > > protocol for hard papate evaluation and correction, and by > releasing > > lesions in the TMJ, as well as the maxillary-palatine complex, > the > > vomer, the zygomata, the temporal bones, and the nasal bones, the > bite > > can be normalized without pain and the tremendous expense of > > orthodontics. For more information or to find a referral, check > out > > www.upledger.com. > > > On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 07:20:56 -0000 " Jill A. Likkel " > > <jlikkel@a...> writes: > > > , yehuda l frischman > > > <@j...> wrote: > > > >. And how depressing to spend so > > > > much money, and cause so much pain, when a good craniosacral > > > therapist > > > > could easily, and painlessly, resolve most orthodontic > problems. > > > > > > > > Yehuda > > > > > > > Yehuda and all, > > > Do you have any proof that CST can really resolve most > orthodontic > > > problems? Forgive me for being a cynic but this sounds like > wishful > > > > > > thinking. > > > Jill Likkel > > > So, to make a very long " story " short, no Yehuda did not give any > proof that it would work. I think " before and after " pictures of > the > teeth along with some kind of proof that no other interventions > other > than carniosacral therpary were used would suffice. In fact, if > this > sort of thing really did happen, I would think that evidence would > be > forthright and easily available on the web for all to see and seek > out > as an alternative to the standard orthodontic protocols. > > Brian C. Allen > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 , yehuda l frischman <@j...> wrote: > I am a practitioner, not a researcher. I have adolescent patients who, > after getting braces and suffering excruciating headaches, had them > completely resolved using CranioSacral therapy (CST). The Upledger OK - so now you are saying that CST can resolve a headache. I'll buy that. So can acupuncture or herbs. However, when you said: " And how depressing to spend so much money, and cause so much pain, when a good craniosacral therapist could easily, and painlessly, resolve most orthodontic problems. " I assumed that you meant that CST can be used as a stand-alone therapy to straighten most cases of crooked teeth. Brian C. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Yeah, when I was 12 I never really saw my orthodonist as an " energy worker " . ;-) > > I assumed that you meant that CST can be used as a stand-alone therapy > to straighten most cases of crooked teeth. > > Brian C. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 > However, when you said: > > " And how depressing to spend so much money, and cause so much pain, > when a good craniosacral therapist could easily, and painlessly, > resolve most orthodontic problems. " > > I assumed that you meant that CST can be used as a stand-alone > therapy > to straighten most cases of crooked teeth. > > Brian C. Allen I do mean that. ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 , yehuda l frischman <@j...> wrote: > >> > > > I assumed that you meant that CST can be used as a stand-alone > > therapy > > to straighten most cases of crooked teeth. > > > > Brian C. Allen > > > I do mean that. Yehuda, Brian and all, Thanks for the short and long answers/opinions. I do think that CST can be valuable in cases of jaw pain etc, but I am sceptical that it can cure all orthodontic problems. To be fair I will check to see if I can find studies. I happen to work with some excellent CST practitioners and I will question them as well. But just like I don't think CM can cure everything I have some reservations about CST. On another note, I just got back from a 5 day seminar at SIOM with Mazin Al-Khafaji on skin disorders and CM. The class was extremely well done and I can highly recommend his classes. Lots of photos with before and after shots. Truly the best continuing education seminar that I have had. Jill Likkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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