Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 http://www.cancerwise.org/April_2004/display.cfm?id=02425079-ADC6-425F -93908398C2DA3ADE & method=displayFull & color=red if this link is broken, cut and paste and delete any spaces between characters and it will work some of you who don't understand my position on this topic may be surprised to know that I wholeheartedly support the inclusion of qi qong in this study and further, I would even predict that qi gong will be shown to more useful than acupuncture, but 1. that does not mean anything magical will have been demonstrated; in fact the study will likely reveal reproducible physiological mechanisms at play and may even lead to further development of technological methods of inducing the same or similar effects (do a google search for body/mind and brainwave machines to learn more about this). 2. note the study authors did not use the term spirit, but rather body/mind interventions, thus denoting a rationalistic perspective, the same perspective which was embraced by the ancient philosophical taoists themselves, IMO. the great tao cannot be known in words; it is not understood at all by discussion and thus has no place in rational discourse. In fact, when one speaks of knowing or applying the great tao in daily life or medicine, one is actually furthest from the truth at that point. Yet religious taoists often did just that. We should make their mistake. 3. this still does not mean that qi gong was ever part of the mainstream medical chinese tradition; it was rather one of numerous health practices that were taught mainly by those who were the equivalent of todays fitness trainers, tai ji and yoga teacher. This is not to belittle those professions either as I truly believe all those activities are far more essential to health than acupuncture or herbology. It is merely to point out that no medical education is required to effectively teach any of these things. This is also not to suggest that learning to do any of these things well is easy. It is just that the education is not of a medical nature in most cases (it may, but it need not be) and the effective application of these practices has not typically taken place in a medical context, either historically or presently. Validating qi gong says nothing about the practice of chinese medicine per se. It merely lends more weight to a half century of evidence already accumulated on the stress and relaxation responses and altered states of consciousness. I will be happy to see the positive results of such research and for those who teach qi gong, your practice will be further validated. But I will still send out my patients to train with qi gong teachers far more skilled than I. And they will do well as a result. The point is that one can teach qi gong and also practice TCM if they want to, just that there is no inherent historical connection between the two (as a survey of the most influential texts of the last 1000 years would seem to indicate). Thus I do not consider such practices to be core subject matter. And I utterly reject any presentation of such material that even remotely smacks of some type of religious indoctrination. I once thought I would go into behavioral medicine because of my lifelong fascination with meditative practices and altered states of consciousness (this was before I began my study of chinese herbology). But when I started to get more discriminating about what chinese medical source materials I would trust, it became quite evident that essentially all the literature on qi gong did not pass muster. I decided there was not at all a well developed chinese model of behavioral medicine, but rather a myriad of disparate health practices, cloaked in every possible garb. In fact, behavioral medicine using meditation, yoga, biofeedback, etc. seems to be far more developed as a mainstream medical modality in modern america than it ever was in ancient china. But much of the value still remains to be demonstrated in very rigorous ways. Skeptics have made mincemeat of most earlier research on such phenomena due to shoddy experimental design. And in all likelihood, their will not be distinct differences demonstrated between different styles of practice. While I think the continued development of this modality is very desirable, we have no particular claim on it, as its effectiveness is not in any way connected to a TCM education. I actually think the ideal place for such things is in our educational system, not healthcare. If everyone learned body/mind techniques in youth, the world would be quite a different place. I am sure some are thinking that doctor means teacher, but the fact remains that the knowledge necessary to effectively practice chinese herbology and teach qi gong are two unrelated skill sets. For those who can master both, more power to you. Chinese Herbs FAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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