Guest guest Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 An interesting article at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/2948/gould.html When I read Gould, the question I always ask is what force drives self-organization; and from what nothingness did something emerge? And were the event that led down the fragile path to humanity by chance or design or just the natural vector of some impersonal evolutionary force? I think the answer is what the ancient chinese called the unknowable dao? It all seems to hinge on whether consciousness is an emergent property or the source of all manifestation? Scientists will keep looking for the physical explanations of how it all began and seekers will continue to practice consciousness altering techniques in order to locate the source from within. The universe collapses in on itself after expansion ends. If consciousness is just merely another aspect of manifest reality as materialists would have it, then when the universe finally shrinks into another infinitely small and dense point awaiting another big bang, does not that singularity contain every " element " that was formerly part of whatever consciousness is? Both materialists and others would have to agree that whatever consciousness was in the expanded universe, it's potential existence was all contained in a single point before the big bang. Whether this is God before creation or just some unconscious force of nature can only be speculated. We can never rationally know of the nature of the world in the time before there was anything to measure because no atom as yet existed. Measurement and rationing go hand in hand, you know. So the only possible way to ever know of this time before the universe existed is if this " source " is still present (perhaps as the dark matter matrix of the universe??) and can be perhaps contacted via the exploration of the mind. But how would we ever achieve a consensus on a " finding " of that nature? If somehow many could have a shared experience of what was called samadhi or satori in ancient texts and that shared experience could be agreed to be " real " . But how does one ever know that such an experience is anything other than shared imagination or something akin to group schizophrenia? The wheel just turns and turns, which is why we leave this debate to philosophers and do not let it impinge on medicine where it has no place as it yields no practical answer. Medicine is nothing without praxis. We can prove meditation is helpful for chronic pain, but it proves nothing more profound than that. Chinese Herbs FAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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