Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Dear Pat, (and Todd) I'm sorry that I wasn't able to come down to SD for the weekend. 'Sounds like I missed some very special presentations. my deepest personal appreciation to all you are doing to promote Oriental medicine. From your background and orientation this may not mean much to you, but please accept my blessings that you are able to enjoy the fruits of your labors. I can only speak from my background, but I believe that in many other philosophical systems as well, there is the concept that " what goes around comes around " and to every thought, expression and action there is an equal and opposite reaction in our universe. I remember that Ken Rose liked to define " QI " as connectivity, and certainly your zheng qi has been felt. When I hopefully pass the state board in July, and have some income, I will be in a much better financial position to participate in such informative symposia as last weekend's was, and do my small share to contribute. That being said, I want to address a phenomenon that I have found, and I am not sure Pat is referring to in relation to Heiner's presentation, that illness manifests itself in layers. Like an onion, I have read about, and have seen with my craniosacral patients frequently, that when a manifestation of illness is resolved, something deeper comes to the surface, and also, when pain in one area is completely gone, it will suddenly pop up in an area which heretofore was painless. I find this phenomenon fascinating, yet from neither a western medical perspective, nor, to the best of my knowledge, from a Chinese medical perspective, is this reported or explained. As I say, I have heard this described as " layers of illness " being released, and can also picture the imagery of qi/blood stagnation, resolved in on area, manifesting itself elsewhere, but is this idea addressed in the literature? Thanks, Yehuda On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:45:27 -0400 " Pat Ethridge " <pat.ethridge writes: > One element of Heiner's presentation which interested me in his > reference > to spirit and emotions was his discussion of the layering of > meanings via > symbols and linked concepts, which creates creates enormous depth > and > resonance on many levels. Since imbalance and illness often begin > and > progress on levels not always immediately accessible or apparent, > this > layering can operate on subconscious levels for the patient and > facilitate > movement there. (And he made it clear that this does not have to be > a > " religious " context.) This process was something that initially > attracted > me to Chinese medicine, as I had been exposed to it, and was > something > which was usually missing in my school experiences. It was deeply > absorbing to encounter it in Heiner's presentation. If he ever does > a > whole weekend, I want to be there. > > Pat > > > > ========================================================================= ===== > NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be > legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must > not read, use or disseminate the information; please advise the > sender immediately by reply email and delete this message and any > attachments without retaining a copy. Although this email and any > attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect > that may affect any computer system into which it is received and > opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it > is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Cadwalader, > Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage arising in any way from > its use. > > ========================================================================= ===== > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 , yehuda l frischman <@j...> wrote: > > That being said, I want to address a phenomenon that I have found, and I > am not sure Pat is referring to in relation to Heiner's presentation, > that illness manifests itself in layers. Like an onion, I have read > about, and have seen with my craniosacral patients frequently, that when > a manifestation of illness is resolved, something deeper comes to the > surface, and also, when pain in one area is completely gone, it will > suddenly pop up in an area which heretofore was painless. I find this > phenomenon fascinating, yet from neither a western medical perspective, > nor, to the best of my knowledge, from a Chinese medical perspective, is > this reported or explained. This layer idea is in CM. -Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Where is it originally presented in the Chinese medical literature? Now that I think about it, I believe that it was Hahnemann who originally suggested this concept, but in relationship to homeopathy. Yehuda On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:17:47 -0000 " " < writes: > , yehuda l frischman > <@j...> wrote: > > > > > That being said, I want to address a phenomenon that I have > found, > and I > > am not sure Pat is referring to in relation to Heiner's > presentation, > > that illness manifests itself in layers. Like an onion, I have > read > > about, and have seen with my craniosacral patients frequently, > that when > > a manifestation of illness is resolved, something deeper comes to > the > > surface, and also, when pain in one area is completely gone, it > will > > suddenly pop up in an area which heretofore was painless. I find > this > > phenomenon fascinating, yet from neither a western medical > perspective, > > nor, to the best of my knowledge, from a Chinese medical > perspective, is > > this reported or explained. > > This layer idea is in CM. > > -Jason > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 , yehuda l frischman <@j...> wrote: > Where is it originally presented in the Chinese medical literature? Now > that I think about it, I believe that it was Hahnemann who originally > suggested this concept, but in relationship to homeopathy. > > Yehuda CM has this concept in the Qing dynasty, before homeopathy. Chip & I will be publishing a case study in the near future with this in it. -Jason > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:17:47 -0000 " " > <@h...> writes: > > , yehuda l frischman > > <@j...> wrote: > > > > > > > > That being said, I want to address a phenomenon that I have > > found, > > and I > > > am not sure Pat is referring to in relation to Heiner's > > presentation, > > > that illness manifests itself in layers. Like an onion, I have > > read > > > about, and have seen with my craniosacral patients frequently, > > that when > > > a manifestation of illness is resolved, something deeper comes to > > the > > > surface, and also, when pain in one area is completely gone, it > > will > > > suddenly pop up in an area which heretofore was painless. I find > > this > > > phenomenon fascinating, yet from neither a western medical > > perspective, > > > nor, to the best of my knowledge, from a Chinese medical > > perspective, is > > > this reported or explained. > > > > This layer idea is in CM. > > > > -Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 I'll look forward to that. Any source texts you coudl share would be appreciated. On Jun 24, 2004, at 3:04 PM, wrote: > > CM has this concept in the Qing dynasty, before homeopathy. Chip & I > will be publishing a case study in the near future with this in it. > > -Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Cool, but how in the literature does it describe the mechanism of how each layer is released? Yehuda On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:04:23 -0000 " " < writes: > , yehuda l frischman > <@j...> wrote: > > Where is it originally presented in the Chinese medical > literature? Now > > that I think about it, I believe that it was Hahnemann who > originally > > suggested this concept, but in relationship to homeopathy. > > > > Yehuda > > CM has this concept in the Qing dynasty, before homeopathy. Chip & > I > will be publishing a case study in the near future with this in it. > > -Jason > > > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:17:47 -0000 " " > > <@h...> writes: > > > , yehuda l frischman > > > <@j...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > That being said, I want to address a phenomenon that I have > > > found, > > > and I > > > > am not sure Pat is referring to in relation to Heiner's > > > presentation, > > > > that illness manifests itself in layers. Like an onion, I > have > > > read > > > > about, and have seen with my craniosacral patients frequently, > > > > that when > > > > a manifestation of illness is resolved, something deeper comes > to > > > the > > > > surface, and also, when pain in one area is completely gone, > it > > > will > > > > suddenly pop up in an area which heretofore was painless. I > find > > > this > > > > phenomenon fascinating, yet from neither a western medical > > > perspective, > > > > nor, to the best of my knowledge, from a Chinese medical > > > perspective, is > > > > this reported or explained. > > > > > > This layer idea is in CM. > > > > > > -Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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