Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 A colleague wrote asking about a formula called Jin bu huan. I have not found a formula that is called by this name in any of my reference texts. In Hsu's Materia Medica Jin bu huan is listed as Lycopodium serrata. That same herb is listed under a different Chinese name in the only other reference that mentions L. serrata, Wiseman's Dictionary of CM. In that same dictionary Wiseman lists Jin bu huan as another name for Stephania. In Chen and Chen's new MM it lists Jin bu huan as another name for notoginseng.(?!) Since the question came up because Jin bu huan is listed as one of the herbs which insurance companies will not cover, it makes sense that it may be referring to Stephania. But Stephania is on that same list...as Stephania. Unfortunately I don't have the characters. Anyone want to take a stab at this? Thanks, Stephen Morrissey Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 I guess I am asleep at the wheel on the Jin bu huan formula question so I've answered the formula part of my question below with some toxicity citations. Perhaps it shows that I don't use (and don't recommend) patents from China. However, the question about the " other names " for the three different single herbs still stands if anyone wants to clarify that part of my initial question. Thanks! Stephen Arch Intern Med. 1996 Apr 22;156(8):899-903. Related Articles, Links The clinical spectrum of Jin Bu Huan toxicity. Horowitz RS, Feldhaus K, Dart RC, Stermitz FR, Beck JJ. Rochy Mountain Poison Center, Denver, Colo, USA. Herbal medications and other nontraditional medical therapies are becoming increasingly popular in the United States. We describe three children and three adults in whom severe toxic effects developed after ingestion of a Chinese herbal medication, jin bu huan, which is sold as Jin Bu Huan Anodyne Tablets. Jin bu huan produced distinct clinical syndromes after acute ingestion in children and long-term use in adults. A single, acute ingestion in children rapidly produced life-threatening neurologic and cardiovascular manifestations, while long-term jin bu huan use in adults was associated with hepatitis. Jin bu huan contains levo-tetrahydropalmatine, a potent neuroactive substance. The constituents of jin bu huan are misidentified on the package, resulting in significant delay in identifying the plant alkaloid responsible for its toxicity. Although perceived as innocuous, jin bu huan may produce major health effects. The highly concentrated formulation, the lack of childproof packaging, and the product insert listing indications for the treatment of serious medical conditions may all contribute to the development of toxic reactions. Publication Types: · Case Reports J Hepatol. 1998 Jan;28(1):165-7. Related Articles, Links Chronic hepatitis induced by Jin Bu Huan. Picciotto A, Campo N, Brizzolara R, Giusto R, Guido G, Sinelli N, Lapertosa G, Celle G. Department of Internal Medicine, University of Genoa, Italy. BACKGROUND/AIMS: Jin Bu Huan and other Chinese herbal products are widely taken remedies. They have been developed as a natural alternative to traditional drugs in the treatment of various ailments. Their ability to induce several side effects such as acute hepatitis has already been described. We report a case of chronic hepatic damage following administration of Jin Bu Huan Anodyne tablets. METHODS: The patient, a 49-year-old man, developed biochemical signs of liver damage 2 months after beginning Jin Bu Huan intake (3 tablets/daily) including biopsy-proven chronic hepatitis with moderate fibrosis. Virological, autoimmune, metabolic or other hepatotoxic causes were excluded. Liver function impairment was resolved by discontinuing Jin Bu Huan intake. CONCLUSIONS: This case reinforces the already known hepatotoxicity of this product and should make us think more about the uncontrolled use of alternative products. Publication Types: · Case Reports Epidemiologic Notes and Reports Jin Bu Huan Toxicity in Children -- Colorado, 1993 The consumption of traditional ethnic remedies can have adverse health effects, especially among children (1,2). Life-threatening bradycardia with rapid onset and central nervous system (CNS) and respiratory depression developed in three unrelated children in Colorado during 1993 following ingestion of Jin Bu Huan tablets, a Chinese herbal medicine used for relieving pain. This report summarizes the investigations of these cases. Patient 1. A 13-month-old boy was lethargic and breathing abnormally when found by his mother approximately 20 minutes after he ingested approximately 60 Jin Bu Huan tablets. His initial vital signs measured by an emergency medical team included a blood pressure of 75/50 mm Hg, pulse of 100, and a respiratory rate of 28. The child exhibited CNS depression and was responsive only to painful stimuli. In the emergency department, he was lethargic, with hypotonia, and had a respiratory rate of 44 and transient bradycardia (pulse mid 40s). He was unresponsive to naloxone (3.8 mg), a fingerstick glucose test measured 110 mg/dL, and an extensive toxicologic screen was negative. He was treated with activated charcoal through an orogastric tube. He became more alert during the next 10 hours until his physical examination and mental status were completely normal. Follow-up indicated no permanent sequelae. Patient 2. A 2 1/2-year-old girl was lethargic and breathing abnormally when found by her mother 30-60 minutes after she ingested approximately 17 Jin Bu Huan tablets. Paramedics found the child unresponsive with respiratory depression. An acute episode of bradycardia (pulse 30-35) was successfully treated with atropine. Initial examination in the emergency department indicated miotic pupils (2 mm and equal), CNS depression, and a disconjugate gaze. Blood pressure was palpated at 100 mm Hg systolic; pulse, 100; and respiratory rate, 24. She was unresponsive to naloxone (0.8 mg). The patient's respiratory rate diminished, requiring intubation within 20 minutes after arrival to the emergency department. During the next hour, the child's condition improved, and during an episode of vomiting, she extubated herself. Gastrointestinal decontamination treatment included performing gastric lavage and administering activated charcoal and a cathartic. She remained intermittently lethargic with diffuse muscle weakness until approximately 8 hours following ingestion. Urine and serum toxicologic screens were negative for more than 30 substances including beta-blockers, clonidine, and opiates. She was discharged the following day after a complete recovery. Follow-up indicated no permanent sequelae. Patient 3. A 23-month-old girl was lethargic when found by her parents within 1 hour after she ingested approximately seven Jin Bu Huan tablets. The child was transported to an emergency department 1 1/4 hours following ingestion. Her blood pressure was 94/64 mm Hg and pulse 130. Gastrointestinal decontamination consisted of performing gastric lavage (resulting in recovery of pill fragments) and administering activated charcoal and a cathartic. Approximately 2 hours after ingestion, the child was awake and talkative. She was observed in the emergency department until 5 hours following ingestion and was discharged. Follow-up indicated no permanent sequelae. Follow-up investigation. Analysis of Jin Bu Huan tablets retrieved from the parents of the three children was performed at Colorado State University using nuclear magnetic resonance and gas chromatography/mass spectroscopy; the tablets were 36% concentrated weight-by-weight levo-tetrahydropalmatine (L-THP), a substance present in the plant genus Stephania but not in the genus Polygala- -the plant of origin indicated on the product package insert (2-4). Each tablet contained 28.8 mg L-THP; no other plant alkaloids were present in tablets tested from multiple bottles of Jin Bu Huan. Extensive toxicologic analysis of the Jin Bu Huan tablets and of urine and serum from patients 1 and 2 did not detect other drugs or pharmaceutical products. As a result of this investigation, Jin Bu Huan anodyne tablets and their active ingredient (L-THP) were entered into the update of Poisindex Registered, an international toxicologic data base. Reported by: RS Horowitz, MD, RC Dart, MD, H Gomez, MD, LL Moore, B Fulton, Rocky Mountain Poison Center, K Feldhaus, MD, Emergency Dept, Denver General Hospital, J Brent, MD, Denver; FR Stermitz, PhD, JJ Beck, Dept of Chemistry and Agricultural Experiment Station, Colorado State Univ, Fort Collins; JR Alessi, DO, Walsenburg. PAGM de Smet, PhD, Documentation and Information Center, Royal Dutch Association for Advancement of Pharmacy, the Netherlands. Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Food and Drug Administration. Health Studies Br, Div of Environmental Hazards and Health Effects, National Center for Environmental Health, CDC. Editorial Note Editorial Note: Traditional Chinese herbal products are widely available in the United States. However, because they are not marketed as a drug, these products have not been subjected to standard tests for safety and effectiveness. Jin Bu Huan is manufactured in China, and the stated ingredients are Polygla Chinensis L. alkaloid (30%) and starch (70%) (5,6). The insert accompanying Jin Bu Huan anodyne tablets describes its action to be anodyne (analgesic), sedative, antispasmodic, and hypnotic and states it to be " a particularly good remedy for the patient suffering from insomnia due to pain. " In addition, it lists specific medical indications for the product including " gastric ulcer, duodenal ulcer pains, stomachic {sic} neuralgia, pain in shrunken womb after childbirth, nervous insomnia, spasmodic cough, etc. " Although this product was sold as a dietary supplement in health food stores, claims on the labeling that the product is for the treatment, prevention, mitigation, or cure of a disease make it subject to regulation as a drug. The clinical presentations of and findings in the three children described in this report are consistent with those detected in animals exposed to L-THP (7,8). In particular, exposure of animals to L-THP results in sedation, analgesia, neuromuscular blockade, and dopamine receptor antagonism. These studies also have documented L-THP to be naloxone resistant with no affinity for opiate receptors. As part of this investigation, the Rocky Mountain Poison Center found Jin Bu Huan tablets for sale in health food stores in the Denver metropolitan area. The investigation has not detected evidence of pharmaceutical contamination of this product. However, its potential toxicity may result from a combination of factors, including the extreme potency of L-THP, the misidentification of the plant from which the product was derived, the false and potentially misleading medical claims, the availability of the product, and lack of childproof packaging. The public health implications associated with the use of herbal products in the United States are potentially great because many persons use such herbs and other unconventional products. For example, a recent study of the prevalence and frequency of use of unconventional therapy in the United States indicated that 3% of adult respondents reported using an herbal medicine during the preceding year (9). In addition, a study in the United States of dietary supplement advertising indicated that 22% of these products did not list ingredients in their advertisements (10). The investigation of the three cases in this report does not provide an adequate basis for assessing the health impact of these products; however, the severity of the adverse health effects in these three cases underscores the potential health risks associated with use of these herbal and other botanical products. To prevent cases of unintentional poisoning associated with herbal and other botanical products, such products should be sold in childproof packaging and kept in childproof containers, and parents should be informed about the potential toxicity of these products. In addition, accurate labeling of the active ingredient is critical to enable prompt and proper medical treatment for unintentional poisoning. References 1.CDC. Lead poisoning associated with use of traditional ethnic remedies -- California, 1991-1992. MMWR 1993;42:521-4. 2. De Smet PAGM, Elferink F, Verpoorte R. Left-turning tetrahydropalmatine in Chinese tablets {Dutch}. Ned Tijdschr Geneeskd 1989;133:308. 3. Ghosal S, Chauhan RPS, Srivastava RS. Structure of chinensin: a new lignan lactone from Polygala chinensis. Phytochemistry 1974;13:2281-4. 4. Tomita M, Kozuka M, Uyeo S. Studies on the alkaloids of menispermaceous plants, CCXXII: alkaloids of Stephania rotunda loureiro (suppl 1) {Japanese}. J Pharm Soc Jap 1966;86:460-6. 5. Zhen-Gang W, Gan-Zhong L. Advances in natur al products in China. Trends in Pharmacological Sciences 1985;6:423-6. 6. Ding GS. Important Chinese herbal remedies. Clin Ther 1987;9:345-57. 7. Lui GQ, Algeri S, Garattini S. D-L-tetrahydropalmatine as monoamine depleter. Arch Int Pharmacodyn Ther 1982;258:39-50. 8. Marcenac F, Jin GZ, Gonon F. Effect of L-tetrahydropalmatine of dopamine release and metabolism in the rat striatum. Psychopharmacology 1986;89:89-93. 9. Eisenberg DM, Kessler RC, Foster C, Norlock FE, Calkins DR, Delbanco TL. Unconventional medicine in the United States. N Engl J Med 1993;328:246-52. 10. Philen RM, Ortiz DI, Auerback SB, Falk H. Survey of advertising for nutritional supplements in health and bodybuilding magazines. JAMA 1992;268:1008-11. · Use of trade names and commercial sources is for identification only and does not imply endorsement by the Public Health Service or the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Disclaimer All MMWR HTML versions of articles are electronic conversions from ASCII text into HTML. This conversion may have resulted in character translation or format errors in the HTML version. Users should not rely on this HTML document, but are referred to the electronic PDF version and/or the original MMWR paper copy for the official text, figures, and tables. An original paper copy of this issue can be obtained from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office (GPO), Washington, DC 20402-9371; telephone: (202) 512-1800. Contact GPO for current prices. **Questions or messages regarding errors in formatting should be addressed to mmwrq. Page converted: 09/19/98 Case report: Jin bu huan—not so benign herbal medicine Miriam Divinsky, MD, CCFP, FCFP Jin bu huan (JBH) is most likely a benign Chinese herbal medicine that has been in use for a long time. It became a poisoned pharmaceutical when marketed as “anodyne tablets” in the 1990s. Though now banned in Canada and the United States, it is still causing hepatitis. Case description A 45-year-old white woman consulted her family physician regarding 4 to 6 weeks of nausea and mild pruritus, followed by 2 to 3 days of white stools. She was a smoker with a history of mild asthma, migraine, and back pain attributed to spondylolisthesis* and had last seen her doctor 16 months previously for a complete physical examination. At this visit, physical findings included a 7-kg weight loss; mild sinus tachycardia; a palpable but non-goitrous thyroid; some spider nevi; and tenderness on palpation of her liver, the border of which was felt 3 cm below the costal margin. She had no history of viral exposure, and there was no reason to suspect alcohol abuse. Results of urinalysis and abdominal ultrasound were normal, but liver enzymes were consistent with a diagnosis of hepatitis: aspartate aminotransferase was 656 U/L, alanine aminotransferase was 1785 U/L, and bilirubin was 46 µmol/L, all markedly elevated, while alkaline phosphatase was 115 U/L, the upper limit of normal. Hemoglobin and white blood cell counts were within normal limits, with mild lymphocytosis (48% compared with 32% neutrophils) and normal smear results. Results of screening for hepatitis A, B, and C were negative. Thyroid-stimulating hormone was undetectable and thyroglobulin antibody was negative, but microsomal antibody was slightly elevated at 177 U/L. Creatinine, blood sugar, uric acid, international normalized ratio (INR), serum albumin, and amylase levels were all normal. Specialist recommendations of blood tests to search for a cause of hepatitis included a VDRL test, Epstein-Barr virus, and cytomegalovirus antibody tests, antinuclear factor, antismooth muscle antibody, ceruloplasmin, and ferritin, which were all normal except for a “reactive” high ferritin level of 1349 µg/L. The patient was advised to avoid both alcohol and large doses of acetaminophen. Stools and results of blood tests returned to normal over the course of the next 6 weeks. Meanwhile the free thyroxine confirmed hyperthyroidism (47 pmol/L), and a subsequent 24-hour radioactive iodine uptake scan confirmed Graves disease. During the search for the cause of her hepatitis, the patient reported that her son’s grandfather was visiting from Asia but was well and had no history of infection. On a review of medications, she reported having taken JBH for anxiety and insomnia (possibly symptoms of her undiagnosed Graves disease). Jin bu huan is available as a tea or pill from herbalists in Chinatown in Toronto, Ont. Our patient, however, took a formulation that was banned in Canada and the United States in 1994. Discussion The decision to ban JBH Anodyne tablets followed reports of toxicity after both acute and chronic use from the Centers for Disease Control in 1993.3,4 A literature search from 19945 to 2000 revealed discussion of the cause and mechanism of these reactions as well as suggestions for preventive measures. It is now known that JBH Anodyne contains levo-tetrahydro-palmatine, a “sedating dopamine receptor antagonist and calcium channel antagonist,” structurally similar to hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids known to cause poisonings in Africa, Asia, and the West Indies.6 Not only were the ingredients of the JBH tablets mislabelled but levo-tetrahydro-palmatine is naloxone-resistant. As well, the pill containers were not childproof, and no list of potential side effects was included. In 1996, Blackwell7 emphasized another unique issue: preparation of the “medicine” involved extracting a single chemical from a traditional herb, a non- traditional, untested method that proved unsafe. Despite naming the manufacturer and publicizing the drug’s ban in North America, use of JBH anodyne persists. Since 1993 in North America, awareness has increased about the potential toxicity of JBH. In the lay press, books and periodicals have cautioned readers against its use.8-12 In fact, there is now a recognized list of herbal remedies that might cause liver toxicity: borage (suspected), chaparral tea, coltsfoot, comfrey, Crotalaria (apparently contaminated with pyrrolizidine alkaloids), germander (skullcap), mate tea, mistletoe (suspected), pennyroyal oil, sassafras, Senecio (groundsel), valerian (suspected), megadose vitamin A, and willow bark (theoretical—contains salicin, which is structurally different from acetylsalicylic acid and therefore unlikely to cause Reye’s syndrome. No clinical adverse effects have been reported). But there is also an equally long list of allopathic prescription drugs that can do the same: allopurinol, erythromycin, fluoroquinolones, halothane, isoniazid, isotretinoin, ketoconazole, nefazodone, nicotinic acid, nitrofurantoin, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), oral contraceptives, statins, tetracyclines, tricyclic antidepressants, trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole, and valproate.13 Patients see alternative remedies as safer, and Blackwell reminds us that most historical remedies are safe: We should remember that adverse effects from Chinese herbs are rare. In Hong Kong, where the use…is both widespread and unregulated, it has been shown that only 0.2% of the general medical admissions to the Prince of Wales Hospital were due to adverse reactions to Chinese medicine, as compared to 4.4% of admissions caused by Western pharmaceuticals.7 Patients anticipate our disapproval when they report using alternative remedies. This will diminish only if we remember to include nonjudgmental questions, such as “Have you found any herbs or vitamins to be helpful?” and acknowledge how influenced we all are (doctors and patients) by anecdotal evidence (ie, patients by personal recovery stories and doctors by side effect “horror” stories). Proving efficacy is an important long-term project, but documenting safety is an immediate and more realistic need. Physicians are encouraged to participate in the voluntary reporting program of the new federal Natural Health Products Directorate (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpb-dgps/therapeut)at Health Canada. In November 1998, the Standing Committee on Health tabled its report on Natural Health Products, which included recommendations that mandatory reporting of adverse reactions be required from the industry, but voluntary reporting only from practitioners and the public. Its working principles included a goal for standards of quality but a clear statement that safety is its primary concern. Health professionals and consumers can now use the toll-free adverse drug reaction line (866) 234-2345 or fax (866) 678-6789 or can call Ottawa directly at (613) 957-0337 or fax (613) 957-0335. Conclusion This case study is meant to inform physicians about a benign Chinese herbal remedy that became a manufactured poison. Though banned in 1994, JBH might still be available in Canada. It is not listed in the new Canadian Medical Association’s reference book on herbs.14 Acknowledgment I thank Judy Kornfeld, MLS, and Professor Janice Newton for their invaluable help with the literature search. Competing interests None declared Correspondence to: Dr Miriam (Mimi) Divinsky, 597 Parliament St, Suite 203, Toronto, ON M4X 1W3 References 1. Eisenberg DM, Kessler RC, Foster C, Norlock FE, Calkins DR, Delbanco TL. Unconventional medicine in the United States. Prevalence, costs, and patterns of use. N Engl J Med 1993;328(4):246-52. 2. Verhoef MJ, Sutherland LR, Brkich L. Use of alternative medicine by patients attending a gastroenterology clinic. Can Med Assoc J 1990;142(2):121. 3. Centers for Disease Control. Jin bu huan toxicity in children—Colorado, 1993 [Epidemiologic Notes and Reports]. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep 1993;42(33):633-5. 4. Centers for Disease Control. Jin bu huan toxicity in adults—Los Angeles, 1993 [Epidemiologic Notes and Reports]. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep 1993;42(47):920-2. 5. Woolf GM, Petrovic LM, Rojter SE, Wainwright S, Villamil FG, Katkov WN, et al. Acute hepatitis associated with the Chinese herbal product jin bu huan. Ann Intern Med 1994;121(10):729-35. 6. Larrey D. Hepatotoxicity of herbal remedies. J Hepatol 1997;26 (Suppl 1):48-9. 7. Blackwell R. Adverse events involving certain Chinese herbal medicines and the response of the profession. J Chinese Med. Available from: http://acupuncture.com/Herbology/Toxic.htm. Accessed 2002 Apr 17. 8. Cassileth BR. The alternative medicine handbook. New York, NY: Norton and Co; 1998. 9. Fugh-Berman A. Alternative medicine. What works. Baltimore, Md: Williams and Wilkins; 1997. 10. Mills S, Bone K. Principles and practice of phytotherapy. New York, NY: Churchill Livingstone; 2000. 11. Healers or quacks? Therapies once viewed as fringe are becoming mainstream. Macleans 1995;108(Sep 25):34-9. 12. Get the most from the East Asian culture. Flare 1995;17(9):138,140. 12. Lee WM. Drug-induced hepatotoxicity. N Engl J Med 1995;333(17):1118-27. 13. Chandler F, editor. Herbs: everyday reference for health professionals. Ottawa, Ont: Canadian Pharmacists Association and the Canadian Medical Association; 2000. *Two of these symptoms, headache and back pain, are among the five most common conditions for which patients use unconventional therapies. Anxiety is a third.1,2 Dr.Divinsky is a family physician and Lecturer in the Department of Family and Community Medicine at the University of Toronto in Ontario. Stephen [stephen] Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:11 PM Jin Bu Huan? A colleague wrote asking about a formula called Jin bu huan. I have not found a formula that is called by this name in any of my reference texts. In Hsu's Materia Medica Jin bu huan is listed as Lycopodium serrata. That same herb is listed under a different Chinese name in the only other reference that mentions L. serrata, Wiseman's Dictionary of CM. In that same dictionary Wiseman lists Jin bu huan as another name for Stephania. In Chen and Chen's new MM it lists Jin bu huan as another name for notoginseng.(?!) Since the question came up because Jin bu huan is listed as one of the herbs which insurance companies will not cover, it makes sense that it may be referring to Stephania. But Stephania is on that same list...as Stephania. Unfortunately I don't have the characters. Anyone want to take a stab at this? Thanks, Stephen Morrissey Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 On Jul 6, 2004, at 5:10 PM, Stephen wrote: > Since the question came up because > Jin bu huan is listed as one of the herbs which insurance companies > will > not cover, it makes sense that it may be referring to Stephania. What insurance companies ARE covering herbs? -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 What insurance companies ARE covering herbs? Hi Al, Many companies offering liability insurance will cover the various " risks " associated with selling herbal products. An example of risk would be unknowingly selling products that contained high levels of contaminants such as lead or aflatoxin which then had some undesirable perceived consequence. One agent that routinely covers this type of circumstance is Accordia. Kathy Francis at Accordia can be reached at 800-332-9256 or Dennnis Shiroma is at 800-876-0505. Accordia will even cover some of the herbs, like ho pu and han fang ji, that are on the list below. The " Watch List " Herbs According to Vitamin Lawyer contacts... As of 3/1/04, the following, in all forms, derivatives or extracts, are generally considered uninsurable. Germander Lobelia Yohimbe Jin Bu haun Gamma Hydroxy Butrate - GHB Gamma Butyrate - GBL Ephedra, ephedrine Aristolochia Stephania Magnolia Kava Regards, Stephen Morrissey Al Stone [alstone] Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:01 AM Re: Jin Bu Huan? On Jul 6, 2004, at 5:10 PM, Stephen wrote: > Since the question came up because > Jin bu huan is listed as one of the herbs which insurance companies > will > not cover, it makes sense that it may be referring to Stephania. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 Stephen, Can you please explain why Magnolia is on this list? Julie Chambers > > The " Watch List " Herbs > According to Vitamin Lawyer contacts... > > As of 3/1/04, the following, in all forms, derivatives or extracts, > are generally considered uninsurable. > > Germander > Lobelia > Yohimbe > Jin Bu haun > Gamma Hydroxy Butrate - GHB > Gamma Butyrate - GBL > Ephedra, ephedrine > Aristolochia > Stephania > Magnolia > Kava > > > Regards, > Stephen Morrissey > > > > Al Stone [alstone] > Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:01 AM > > Re: Jin Bu Huan? > > > On Jul 6, 2004, at 5:10 PM, Stephen wrote: > > > Since the question came up because > > Jin bu huan is listed as one of the herbs which insurance companies > > will > > not cover, it makes sense that it may be referring to Stephania. > > > -- > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > -Adlai Stevenson > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including > board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 Ah. This is product liability insurance. I see. This isn't the consumer's insurance company. Thanks for the heads up on this insurance contacts too, Phillip Stump over at the AAC, my malpractice insurer, suggested that if (and when) my annual herb sales breaks 100k, I should invest in product liability insurance as well. -al. On Jul 7, 2004, at 12:30 PM, Stephen wrote: > What insurance companies ARE covering herbs? > > > Hi Al, > Many companies offering liability insurance will cover the various > " risks " associated with selling herbal products. An example of risk > would be unknowingly selling products that contained high levels of > contaminants such as lead or aflatoxin which then had some undesirable > perceived consequence. One agent that routinely covers this type of > circumstance is Accordia. Kathy Francis at Accordia can be reached at > 800-332-9256 or Dennnis Shiroma is at 800-876-0505. Accordia will even > cover some of the herbs, like ho pu and han fang ji, that are on the > list below. > > The " Watch List " Herbs > According to Vitamin Lawyer contacts... > > As of 3/1/04, the following, in all forms, derivatives or extracts, > are generally considered uninsurable. > > Germander > Lobelia > Yohimbe > Jin Bu haun > Gamma Hydroxy Butrate - GHB > Gamma Butyrate - GBL > Ephedra, ephedrine > Aristolochia > Stephania > Magnolia > Kava > > > Regards, > Stephen Morrissey > > > > Al Stone [alstone] > Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:01 AM > > Re: Jin Bu Huan? > > > On Jul 6, 2004, at 5:10 PM, Stephen wrote: > >> Since the question came up because >> Jin bu huan is listed as one of the herbs which insurance companies >> will >> not cover, it makes sense that it may be referring to Stephania. > > > -- > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > -Adlai Stevenson > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including > board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Julie, There's a trail of regulatory ineptitude behind the current status of Magnolia. ITM's website has a good article on the subject at: http://www.itmonline.org/arts/magsafe.htm Stephen JulieJ8 [Juliej8] Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:47 PM Re: Jin Bu Huan? Stephen, Can you please explain why Magnolia is on this list? Julie Chambers > > The " Watch List " Herbs > According to Vitamin Lawyer contacts... > > As of 3/1/04, the following, in all forms, derivatives or extracts, > are generally considered uninsurable. > > Germander > Lobelia > Yohimbe > Jin Bu haun > Gamma Hydroxy Butrate - GHB > Gamma Butyrate - GBL > Ephedra, ephedrine > Aristolochia > Stephania > Magnolia > Kava > > > Regards, > Stephen Morrissey > > > > Al Stone [alstone] > Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:01 AM > > Re: Jin Bu Huan? > > > On Jul 6, 2004, at 5:10 PM, Stephen wrote: > > > Since the question came up because > > Jin bu huan is listed as one of the herbs which insurance companies > > will > > not cover, it makes sense that it may be referring to Stephania. > > > -- > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > -Adlai Stevenson > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including > board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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