Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 I know others may disagree, but I'm extremely upset with the continued intrusion by authorities into the way we practice herbal medicine. It often seems like more of a back door way to eliminate herbal medicine, and less of a sincere attempt to protect the public. I certainly wouldn't give xi xin to someone who thinks they are being poisoned by their dental filling, but would feel little concern with anyone else. Bart Paulding, LAc Al Stone [alstone] Monday, July 12, 2004 12:58 PM Chinese Herbal Medicine AA n' FDA n' KPC I'm not sure if KPC has done a recall on its Xi Xin or not, this new attachment (#D) was dated May 11th of 2004. Just thought I'd give everybody a head's up on this. Here's more: http://www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/ora_import_ia5410.html -al. IMPORT ALERT IA5410 .... April 6, 2001 Attachment A for Import Alert #54-10 - 4/10/01 Botanicals Known or Suspected to Contain Aristolochic Acid Botanical Name* Common or Other Names ... www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/ora_import_ia5410.html - 07-10-2004 Attachment D for Import Alert# 54-10 - Products containing an ingredient from the Aristolochiaceae family from specific firms Kaiser Pharmaceutical Co. Ltd. (KPC) Xi Xin (dietary supplement) 9 Hwan Kung Road 54F99 Yungkang Industrial Park 5/11/04 Yungkang, Tainan, 710, Taiwan FEI# 3003639262 -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 I certainly wouldn't give xi xin to someone who thinks they are being poisoned by their dental filling, but would feel little concern with anyone else. >>>There are several reports of kidney failure after using a high dose xi xin alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 When used in formulas - the only time I use it - the maximum recommended dose of xi xin in its crude form is generally about 3gms. I wonder how close this comes to the reported high dose? I suppose, given the right circumstances, many things are toxic to someone at some dose. The San Francisco School District has banned peanut butter sandwiches, because some kids are allergic. In some ways their actions make more sense, but is this where we're headed? Bart Paulding, Lac Alon Marcus [alonmarcus] Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:31 PM Re: AA n' FDA n' KPC I certainly wouldn't give xi xin to someone who thinks they are being poisoned by their dental filling, but would feel little concern with anyone else. >>>There are several reports of kidney failure after using a high dose xi xin alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 The Chen and Chen book " Chinese Medical Herbology and Pharmacology " does a better job of discussing side effects and toxicity issues, including long-term effects, than most other TCM pharmacopeias I've seen. The long-term toxicity of xi xin is discussed, as well as listing one of its constituents as being aristolochic acid (concentration not listed). One of the best books on phytochemistry of Chinese herbs is " Chinese Materia Medica: Chemistry, Pharmacology, and Applications " by You-Ping Zhu. It mentions a major constituent of the essential oil of xi xin, safrole (12% of the essential oil), which is carcinogenic and known to induce liver and lung tumors. I feel that the phytochemistry and pharmacology of Chinese herbs is a seriously neglected topic in most training programs, and that this neglect will come back to bite the profession in the butt. Why wait for more nasty surprises from toxicologists and the FDA? - Wouldn't if be better to promote accurate, publicly available toxicity information so practitioners and users can avoid toxic incidents to being with? I'm not in favor of restricting the available of herbs. Known carcinogens are present even in foods (i.e., burnt toast, rutabagas), so it's important not to overreact. But TCM herbalists are more likely to be the victims of scare campaigns if we ourselves do not bother to inform ourselves of the pharmacology and phytochemistry and take prudent precautions. (These topics are more relevant to the safe practice of herbology than is a knowledge of acupuncture!) Too often I've heard TCM herbalists say that if an herb is listed in Bensky and other TCM pharmacopoeia's, it must be OK to use. Whoa. What about the calomel and arsenic, which I believe should be clearly marked in all modern textbooks as included for historical reasons only? (Perhaps, even here, there are very rare exceptions, but one should know the serious consequences beforehand.) I reserve xi xin for only rare, short term uses (usually a few days at most) consistent with the TCM indications. ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org > Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:30:56 -0500 > " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus >Re: AA n' FDA n' KPC > >I certainly wouldn't give xi xin >to someone who thinks they are being poisoned by their dental filling, but >would feel little concern with anyone else. >>>>There are several reports of kidney failure after using a high dose xi xin >alon > ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 , rw2@r... wrote: > > I'm not in favor of restricting the available of herbs. Known carcinogens are present even in foods (i.e., burnt toast, rutabagas), so it's important not to overreact. and now this from: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20040711-9999- 1n11warnings.html Californians might soon find a cancer warning label slapped across a host of products that, by some estimates, represent 40 percent of the food supply – despite what some scientists say is a lack of hard data and over protests by the federal Food and Drug Administration. The warning labels might be required on everything from baby food to popcorn and breakfast cereal. The FDA has found that these foods contain high amounts of a suspected carcinogen called acrylamide, which causes cancer in rats. But scientists haven't determined whether it's harmful to humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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