Guest guest Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 If anyone has full text access to the Archives of Internal Medicine could you please post the herbs in this study: A randomized trial of Chinese herbal medicines for the treatment of symptomatic hepatitis C Arch Intern Med. 2004 Jun 28;164(12):1341-6. Abstract states formula was ineffective. It was in Todd's news blurbs he just posted. Rich Blitstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Thanks to mihail for giving me the herbs and dosage on the Hep C trial. They were Radix astragali (6%), Radix acanthopanax (8%), Radix bupleuir (8%), Radix et tuber curcumae (10%), Rhizoma polygonum (10%), Radix glycyrrhiza (4%), Radix isatis (14%), Radix paeoniae rubra (14%), Radix salviae (14%), and Herba taraxaci (12%) Sounds ok for a base formula but of course it isn't Chinese medicine due to the fact that no pattern discrimination was done. The problem with the study is clearly dosage, as todd has pointed out before in the last Hep discussion a few weeks ago. The patients were given the equivalent of 50 g raw per day. We know this is 1/3 to 1/5 what patients get in China. It is too bad that money goes to these poorly designed studies which test neither the true effect of Chinese herbs or chinese medicine in general. Rich Blitstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 , " richblit " <richblit@r...> wrote: > Thanks to mihail for giving me the herbs and dosage on the Hep C > trial. > They were Radix astragali (6%), Radix acanthopanax (8%), Radix > bupleuir (8%), Radix et tuber curcumae (10%), Rhizoma polygonum > (10%), Radix glycyrrhiza (4%), Radix isatis (14%), Radix paeoniae > rubra (14%), Radix salviae (14%), and Herba taraxaci (12%) why the isatis? -JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 I have seen people use ban lan gen in hepatitis cases because of its anti-viral properties. -Steve > , " richblit " <richblit@r...> >wrote: >> Thanks to mihail for giving me the herbs and dosage on the Hep C >> trial. >> They were Radix astragali (6%), Radix acanthopanax (8%), Radix >> bupleuir (8%), Radix et tuber curcumae (10%), Rhizoma polygonum >> (10%), Radix glycyrrhiza (4%), Radix isatis (14%), Radix paeoniae >> rubra (14%), Radix salviae (14%), and Herba taraxaci (12%) > >why the isatis? > >-JB > > > > >Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, >including board approved continuing education classes, an annual >conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 , Stephen Bonzak <smb021169@e...> wrote: > I have seen people use ban lan gen in hepatitis cases because of its > anti-viral properties. It makes sense on paper, but do you know if there hep research for this one? I wouldn't choose it from a TCM perspective that is for sure. Thanx, -JB > > -Steve > > > , " richblit " <richblit@r...> > >wrote: > >> Thanks to mihail for giving me the herbs and dosage on the Hep C > >> trial. > >> They were Radix astragali (6%), Radix acanthopanax (8%), Radix > >> bupleuir (8%), Radix et tuber curcumae (10%), Rhizoma polygonum > >> (10%), Radix glycyrrhiza (4%), Radix isatis (14%), Radix paeoniae > >> rubra (14%), Radix salviae (14%), and Herba taraxaci (12%) > > > >why the isatis? > > > >-JB > > > > > > > > > >Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > >including board approved continuing education classes, an annual > >conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 For those interested in Chinese herbs and heaptitis, the lead article in issue #5, 2004 of the Zhong Yi Za Zhi (Journal of ) is a four page piece on the treatment of viral hep (VH), including chronic VH. This journal is sponsored by the Chinese Medical Association and the Chinese National Academy of . It is one of, if not the most respected and prestigious CM journals in the PRC. The authors' central premise is that there's always damp heat in viral hepatitis. Therefore, they say that, no matter what else, one should clear heat and dispel dampness. They distinguish the following patterns: 1. Damp heat with toxins 2. Damp heat with qi [stagnation] 3. Damp heat with fire 4. Damp heat with wind 5. Damp heat with phlegm 6. Damp heat with stasis 7. Damp heat with vacuity They also say that the above evil qi can combine into more complex patterns, such as wind & phlegm, phlegm & stasis, fire toxins, wind, phlegm, and stasis, etc. Under damp heat and vacuity, they simply say to add whatever are the appropriate supplementing methods. This implies qi, blood, yin, and/or yang supplements as indicated. They nthen close their article by saying that one must be flexible and clever at adjusting treatment for the various combinations of these elements. The three authors of this article are from the Guang An Men Hospital in Beijing, Nanjing Chinese Medical University, and the No. 2 Shanghai Medical University respectively. Nice article with case histories and good explanations. Bob , " " <@h...> wrote: > , Stephen Bonzak > <smb021169@e...> wrote: > > I have seen people use ban lan gen in hepatitis cases because of its > > anti-viral properties. > > It makes sense on paper, but do you know if there hep research for > this one? I wouldn't choose it from a TCM perspective that is for > sure. Thanx, > > -JB > > > > > -Steve > > > > > , " richblit " <richblit@r...> > > >wrote: > > >> Thanks to mihail for giving me the herbs and dosage on the Hep C > > >> trial. > > >> They were Radix astragali (6%), Radix acanthopanax (8%), Radix > > >> bupleuir (8%), Radix et tuber curcumae (10%), Rhizoma polygonum > > >> (10%), Radix glycyrrhiza (4%), Radix isatis (14%), Radix paeoniae > > >> rubra (14%), Radix salviae (14%), and Herba taraxaci (12%) > > > > > >why the isatis? > > > > > >-JB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > > >including board approved continuing education classes, an annual > > >conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 , " " <@h...> wrote: > > why the isatis? antiviral. allopathic. > > -JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 , " " wrote: > , " " <@h...> > wrote: > > > > > why the isatis? > > antiviral. allopathic. I get that, is it researchede to be specific for hep or just general anti-viral ? > > > > > -JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 , " " @h...> wrote: why the isatis? > > antiviral. allopathic. > > I get that, is it researchede to be specific for hep or just general > anti-viral ? > > > -JB Jason, According to a Mazin Al-Khafaji(at a recent class on dermatology), ban lan gen is protective of the Liver. Also one of my herbs teachers, Dr Su said that ban lan gen clears heat and toxin from the Liver. Interestingly both of them were lecturing about psoriasis. Bensky says it is used for damp-heat jaundice. Jill Likkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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