Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 < wrote: > " Personally, I'd be happy if no >one got pregnant and had kids for the rest of my natural >life. :-) " I agree that we have a bad problem with overpopulation, and that it's not necessary for everyone on Earth at this time to reproduce. But lots of people are turning to to enhance their fertility. Do you turn these patients away and tell them you don't agree with their ideals? I suppose if you are able to help someone to have a child, they won't turn to Western drugs and risk having a litter instead. > " But it most assuredly not > " natural " for women to have 450 periods in their lives. >This has been going on for most >women for only about 40 years or less. I don't think >the answer is hormonal >suppression of menses, but what is it then? While there >are plenty of anecdotes about the >side effects of OCPs on liver qi, how does one reconcile >that studies have shown a large >number of women are relieved of their PMS and pain by >OCP's. this is not a black and >white issue of " OCP causes liver qi stag " . >We do need to deal in some way with the fact that it has >not been historically natural to >have so much lifetime estrogen exposure. I will just >mention at this point that daoist >longevity and immortality techniques typically involve >menstrual suppression as a goal. In >this take on CM, the idea is not that one releases >stagnation with menses, but loses >essence. See Cleary's " immortal sisters " for more on >this. Since these techniques do not >include starvation and are geared towards optimum >health, I suspect they work by >naturally altering hormone levels. I can certainly >imagine a meditative or yogic process >that had this effect. In fact, research has shown that >both qi gong and yoga alter >hormones and neurotransmitters. Just a few thoughts, no >real ideas here. " Is amenorrhea necessarily a pathological condition? I know several women who are athletes and yoginis who only menstruate three or four times a year without any pills. -- Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 , Jamie Koonce <untothewholeperson> wrote: > > I agree that we have a bad problem with overpopulation, and that it's not necessary for everyone on Earth at this time to reproduce. But lots of people are turning to Chinese Medicine to enhance their fertility. Do you turn these patients away and tell them you don't agree with their ideals? that was a preemptive joke. I just didn't want people to think that I thought women should be barefoot and pregnant. I see your point about litters. If someone wants to have kids, I'll help them. Yuppies are certainly not a main source of overpopulation. Ironically, it is the poor who have little or no access to fertility technology who do most of the reproducing. BTW, I feel the same way about folks who are training for marathons or triathlons. Why? Who cares? But I keep that to myself and help them anyway. Their choice. > > Is amenorrhea necessarily a pathological condition? I know several women who are athletes and yoginis who only menstruate three or four times a year without any pills. Athletes generally become amenorrheic due to inadequate calories leading to excessively low bodyfat. However estrogen is reduced and this may be beneficial as long as malnutrition is prevented through supplements. Are the yoginis vegan? We should not forget that the only proven form of life extension is calorie restriction. We should be careful indeed about what we say is normal for humans. Is it the pinnacle of humanity to form jealous monogamous bonds and rut like pigs. Or is this a vestige of both our primitive beginnings in the wilds followed by the patriarchal control structures of religion in more recent millennia? Perhaps the pinnacle of humanity is more like what is expressed in the daoist I ching. to free one's mind and body from both the bonds of nature AND society and transcend to a more advanced form that embraces, but is not beholden to, the first two chakras (if I mix metaphors here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 < wrote: > I see your point about litters. If someone wants to have kids, I'll help them. Yuppies are certainly not a main source of overpopulation. Ironically, it is the poor who have little or no access to fertility technology who do most of the >reproducing. I was referring to litters caused by taking fertility drugs, but what you said, is definitely an observable fact. >Athletes generally become amenorrheic due to inadequate calories leading to excessively low bodyfat. However estrogen is reduced and this may be beneficial as long as malnutrition is prevented through supplements. Are the yoginis >vegan? Actually, the women I know personally who are frequently amenorrheic are neither too thin nor vegetarian. They excel in their athleticism and rarely get sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 , Jamie Koonce <untothewholeperson> wrote: > > > wrote: > > > > I see your point about litters. If someone wants to have > kids, I'll help them. Yuppies are certainly not a main source of overpopulation. Ironically, > it is the poor who have little or no access to fertility technology who do most of the > >reproducing. > > I was referring to litters caused by taking fertility drugs, but what you said, is definitely an observable fact. > > >Athletes generally become amenorrheic due to inadequate calories leading to excessively > low bodyfat. However estrogen is reduced and this may be beneficial as long as > malnutrition is prevented through supplements. Are the yoginis >vegan? > > Actually, the women I know personally who are frequently amenorrheic are neither too thin nor vegetarian. They excel in their athleticism and rarely get sick. My experience (in boulder) with these super athletes is that on the outside they may be strong and never get sick, but their yin and blood is being burned from the inside and are hence amenorrheic... Youth can mask many serious underlying vacuities. - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 < wrote: >My experience (in boulder) with these super athletes is that on the outside they may be strong and never get sick, but their yin and blood is being burned from the inside and are hence amenorrheic... Youth can >mask many serious underlying vacuities. - Jason, Could amenorrhea or simply very long cycles also be a nonpathological way of the body preserving yin and blood rather than a pathological sign of an already existent blood and yin deficiency? -- Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 , Jamie Koonce <untothewholeperson> wrote: > > > <@h...> wrote: > > >My experience (in boulder) with these super athletes is that on the > outside they may be strong and never get sick, but their yin and blood > is being burned from the inside and are hence amenorrheic... Youth can > >mask many serious underlying vacuities. > > - > > Jason, > Could amenorrhea or simply very long cycles also be a nonpathological way of the body preserving yin and blood rather than a pathological sign of an already existent blood and yin deficiency? > -- Jamie I think it is both... -JB > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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