Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 check out this article from the story I just heard on NPR. http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3859762 It is about the fact that all living cells give off sound vibrations, the frequency of which varies depending on the stimuli (researchers tried cold, heat and alcohol). This does not surprise me. It is hypothesized that this sound system transmits vital information to adjacent cells which can then reverberate throughout the body. We have talked about channel qi as some form of information or connectivity between things. We have seen arguments bordering from complete reductionism (its all chemicals) to the mystical and the pseudoscientific or cutting edge, as you like (postulating bioenergies, morphogenetic fields, electromagnetic fields, ions, etc.). While not dismissing any of these, it is distinctly possible it is something much more mundane. The vibrations of sound. All work creates noise. If a cell has to work hard due to excess it creates a certain noise, not figuratively, but literally. If a cell is underworking due to vacuity, it makes a different noise. Stagnation a different noise. Heat and cold different noises. And so on. What we thought was something subtle and mysterious or nonexistent or perhaps just not to be found or measured in this plane may have just been an artifact of having the volume turned down too low. Frequency and intensity are two different things. Cells talk to each other using " voices " . We just needed to stick a microphone in the right place to listen and turn up the gain high enough. This reminds me a bit of Rife's and other similar work (dark field micosocopy and such). I feel the need to state that I don't think this research proves in any way the validity of any sound related therapies used in CAM or OM; it merely shows that sound plays a role in physiology. It is a great leap to read any further significance into this. The chinese already have reams of information on countless techniques and styles of practice. While the idea of sound as both physiological mechanism and therapeutic strategy is intriguing to me and deserves further exploration, I am uncomfortable with experimenting with any methodology that has neither an established pedigree in China nor modern research to back it up. I understand that others are more daring than I. So be it. My primary interest would be how traditional OM techniques (acumoxa and herbs) alter cell " noise " . A worthy experiment. Chinese Herbs FAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 This link comes up as not being valid when I try to follow it. Do you have a copy of the article? Thanks, Mark On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 10:32, wrote: > check out this article from the story I just heard on NPR. > > http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3859762 > > It is about the fact that all living cells give off sound vibrations, > the frequency of which varies depending on the stimuli (researchers > tried cold, heat and alcohol). This does not surprise me. It is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 , Mark <mark.milotay@s...> wrote: > > > This link comes up as not being valid when I try to follow it. Do you > have a copy of the article? > It seems to have disappeared from the site. this one is better anyway: http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues04/mar04/phenomena.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Re: Therapeutic use of sound and music, I have not seen much information in the Chinese literature that I find credible. Dr. Cheung has helped me to gather what he could find on the subject, and what he did find was certainly not on the level of development of TCM herbology. Instead, it seemed to be at the level of rudimentary 5-element theory, as in certain instruments and sound qualities corresponding to particular elements. (If anyone on this list is aware of Chinese research on this, I'd like to hear from you.) I've long been interested in the applications of sound to health, and in spite of all the New-Age hype out there, there is a solid body of research that demonstrates the effectiveness of specific music in the context of certain diseases and conditions. The problem is that, like much western research, it is stated in general terms of the effects of particular sounds or music on western disease categories or physiological parameters, so to attempt reading between the lines and translating it into a clinically useful TCM framework will require some work. For an article on our website that explores this topic: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/review/2002-1.html Effects of music and sound on human health Following is a section from the Preface of a work in progress: ============================== The idea of using music to improve health is a very ancient one. Plato, Pythagoras, Aristotle, and Galen all commented on the potentially beneficial and harmful effects of music to the individual and to society. Modern research confirms that various types of music can beneficially affect blood pressure, heart rate, hormone levels, brain wave patterns, muscle tension, seizure activity (in epileptics), and mental skills and motor coordination during specific tasks. Moreover, the destructive effects of certain types of music have also been repeatedly demonstrated: plants shrivel and die, mice become aggressive and cannibalistic with abnormal neuronal growth patterns revealed on dissection, and humans develop learning and behavioral disorders. With the wealth of existing research on the undeniable effects of music on human health, one would think that medical and music professionals would coordinate their efforts to apply this research in clinics, hospitals, schools, nursing homes, and generally toward increasing human potential. While much progress has been made, there exists a wide variety of opinion on how to go about the matter of what techniques are valid in research and clinical practice. On one extreme, there are the " New Age shamans " who have latched onto esoteric and ancient notions regarding the relation of specific tone frequencies to astrological and metaphysical properties, with little scientific research to justify such beliefs. On the other extreme are the hard-nosed scientific types to whom the notion of emotions induced by music is such a difficult and slippery concept that they have decreed it unworthy of scientific attention, thus placing off limits a quality of music that seems obvious to most listeners. Between these two groups are a large number of musicians, scientists, physicians, and even highly insightful lay people who have quietly and persistently investigated the following types of questions: Why do specific pieces of music affect each listener uniquely, in sometimes very different ways? Can individual differences in body type, physical constitution, and personality be correlated with these unique responses to music? Do specific attributes of music (tempo, rhythm, harmonic structure, major/minor mode, melodic sequence, timbre of instruments, loudness dynamics, intonation, etc.) consistently invoke characteristic emotional, affective, or physiological responses, either in a majority of people or in well-defined types of individuals? While much of the scientific research focuses on effects of music on a population of experimental subjects as a group, with averages and standard deviations dutifully calculated, such experiments fail to address any unique individual responses within the group. Yet to the clinician or to the individual hoping to improve personal health or performance, these individual differences may be crucial. The time-tested aphorism " One person's medicine is another person's poison " applies equally to music. Why does a given musical composition evoke ecstatic personal insights for one person, yet cause headaches in another? Such is the nature of what I am attempting to reveal in this book. Ever since childhood and my first piano lessons, music has been a close personal companion in my life. My love of music helped me endure the trials of adolescence, college, and graduate school, perhaps more than anything else. Though I seriously considered studying music professionally, fate guided me through a series of academic studies and professions that have indirectly enhanced my appreciation for music: medical physiology, psychoacoustics research, systems and control theory, and, finally, traditional Chinese medicine (TCM). My clinical experiences as a traditionally trained TCM herbalist led me back to my involvement with music somewhat by accident. As a TCM herbalist, I sometimes used acupuncture techniques on clients. After inserting acupuncture needles, I liked to put selections of classical music on the office tape player to keep clients relaxed, while I attended to filling out herbal formulas in an adjacent room. I usually palpated the client's radial pulse before and after the session to get some indication if pulse qualities were improving, a typical procedure for acupuncturists. Clients would often comment on the music, whether they liked it and what effects it had on them, so that I began to experiment consciously with a wider range of music. Eventually I came to the conclusion that the music itself was often having profound effects on their pulse and on their health, confirmed by their verbal reports. Over the years, clients with emotional traumas, neurological and endocrine disorders (especially " Interior-Wind " disorders), migraines, heart disease, and other conditions have benefited in significant ways from listening to specific types of music. While acupuncture may be a useful technique for some conditions, I became so excited over my observations about music and health, that I stopped performing acupuncture and began to use carefully selected music instead. Over the past decade, I compiled notes on the effects that specific classical music compositions had on various types of people, based on differentiating them according to their TCM syndrome classifications. Friends often participated in music listening sessions at my home, discussing their individual impressions and reactions; sometimes I would check pulses before and after for any changes. I also created checklists of attributes for listeners to discuss after hearing a recording. The primary purpose of this book is to demonstrate how differentiating individuals according to their TCM syndromes (symptom-sign patterns) may allow a great deal of insight in predicting which musical compositions will have beneficial effects on specific individuals. Accurate syndrome differentiation and assessment is the foundation of Chinese medicine and has been successfully used to tailor diet, herbs, and herbal formulas to individual needs, and as a general foundation for understanding the complexities of human health. It seems reasonable, then, to apply these same principles to understanding music and health. These ideas are based on empirical observations, as are many ideas in the long history of Chinese medicine, and others may wish to design controlled experiments to verify or disprove them. However, any research must begin with cogent questions and hypotheses based on a combination of knowledge, experience, and intuition. While I use TCM theory and principles as a basis for understanding and predicting individual reactions to music, the TCM historical literature on music therapy as such is scanty. Much of what is available is based on theories originating from the earliest periods of Chinese history, during the time when shamanic practices predominated. I have chosen to ignore much of this work in this book, as many of these esoteric ideas are not validated by modern research. As the available scientific research on verifiable effects of music is quite voluminous, I see no reason to dwell on unproven techniques. Rather, I've chosen to focus on musical parameters that have been verified as having physiological and psychological effects; the only new twist I am adding is to attempt fine-tuning the clinical application of this information based on a TCM classification of individual differences based on symptoms and clinical signs. After World War II, it became popular in academic circles to denigrate the value of western cultural icons and institutions. Sociologist-philosophers such as Jacques Derrida, Theodor Adorno, and Max Horkheimer contributed to this attitude by making deconstructionist and relativist philosophies necessary baggage for the politically correct academic. Such ideas crept into much of the literature on music psychology research and music therapy, with a resultant tendency to elevate all of the world's music (rock, heavy metal, voodoo drumming, rap, schmaltz, and classical alike) to equal status and to belittle the importance of European classical contributions. However, the overwhelming result of research on the health effects of specific music unambigously reveals that among all the world's traditions, European classical music demonstrates the most potent healing effects, not only on humans, but on plants and animals. These results firmly disprove the notion that preference for European classical music is merely the result of cultural bias. (Witness the interesting phenomenon that as China and East Asia become more prosperous, an increasing number of world-class classical musicians are from these regions, and educated Asians are showing interest in the European classics at the same time that such interest has been declining in America.) Consequently, I've chosen to focus primarily on the works of composers such as Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn, Brahms, and Schubert. While traditional Celtic music and Indian ragas have also been shown to have beneficial health effects, I am not as familiar with these forms, and have chosen to present information based on my own training and experiences. This book is intended to be used together with the " TCM Database " , which includes a section on musical compositions ( " Music and Health " ) classified by their TCM attributes and clinical functions, which are derived based on principles outlined in this book. ================== END >Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:32:35 -0700 > >sound as the carrier of qi? > >check out this article from the story I just heard on NPR. > >http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3859762 > >It is about the fact that all living cells give off sound vibrations, >the frequency of which varies depending on the stimuli (researchers >tried cold, heat and alcohol). This does not surprise me. It is >hypothesized that this sound system transmits vital information to >adjacent cells which can then reverberate throughout the body. We have >talked about channel qi as some form of information or connectivity >between things. We have seen arguments bordering from complete >reductionism (its all chemicals) to the mystical and the >pseudoscientific or cutting edge, as you like (postulating bioenergies, >morphogenetic fields, electromagnetic fields, ions, etc.). While not >dismissing any of these, it is distinctly possible it is something much >more mundane. The vibrations of sound. All work creates noise. If a >cell has to work hard due to excess it creates a certain noise, not >figuratively, but literally. If a cell is underworking due to vacuity, >it makes a different noise. Stagnation a different noise. Heat and >cold different noises. And so on. > >What we thought was something subtle and mysterious or nonexistent or >perhaps just not to be found or measured in this plane may have just >been an artifact of having the volume turned down too low. Frequency >and intensity are two different things. Cells talk to each other using > " voices " . We just needed to stick a microphone in the right place to >listen and turn up the gain high enough. This reminds me a bit of >Rife's and other similar work (dark field micosocopy and such). I feel >the need to state that I don't think this research proves in any way >the validity of any sound related therapies used in CAM or OM; it >merely shows that sound plays a role in physiology. It is a great leap >to read any further significance into this. The chinese already have >reams of information on countless techniques and styles of practice. >While the idea of sound as both physiological mechanism and therapeutic >strategy is intriguing to me and deserves further exploration, I am >uncomfortable with experimenting with any methodology that has neither >an established pedigree in China nor modern research to back it up. I >understand that others are more daring than I. So be it. My primary >interest would be how traditional OM techniques (acumoxa and herbs) >alter cell " noise " . A worthy experiment. > > > >Chinese Herbs > > > ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 When I was in China last year we had a presentation from Professor Zhu Zong Xiang from the Beijing Meridian Center on biophysical verification of the meridians. One of the ways they mapped the meridians was using sound. (Others were low frequency electricity and radioactive isotopes). They tested sound on over 10,000 patients and found that sound travels differently- more efficiently- on specific points than off the channels. He found channel width to be approximately 1 mm using sound instrumentation. Traditional meridian paths were verified. Karen S. Vaughan, L.Ac., MSTOM Creation's Garden Creationsgarden1 253 Garfield Place Brooklyn, NY 11215 (718) 622-6755 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 , creationsgarden1@a... wrote: They tested sound on > over 10,000 patients and found that sound travels differently- more > efficiently- on specific points than off the channels. He found channel width to be > approximately 1 mm using sound instrumentation. Traditional meridian paths were > verified. I was wondering exactly this thing. So audio communication may be part of qi. So the questions is now how any of this applies the application of sound as therapy, either in the form of music or frequency. It strikes me that perhaps changes in cellular frequency are a key factor in acupuncture's mechanism. Whether induced through vibration like tuning forks, electricity or magnets or the degree of stimulation or the type of metal used in the needle, this may be part of the net result. Perhaps many people are drawn to things like tuning forks and e-stim because these are ways to get reliable stimulation of specific frequencies. the problem is that there is no real consensus yet on what frequencies do what. So we are only left with the tried and true. However there really is no tried and true since many contradictory methods of needling exist. I think we can only agree that whether using traditional, high tech or new age methods of stimulating points (gems, crystals, which emit frequencies also), the book is really wide open on what is the best method. Rather than debateing these things, we can apply experiments like Manaka's to any form of stimulation and see what happens. See chasing the dragon's tail by Birch. But some of the experiments are quite simple and can be done in class or clinic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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