Kidney Yang Vacuity & WM

[Guest guest]

Issue #6, 2004 Shang Hai Zhong Yi Yao Za Zhi (Shanghai Journal of

& Medicinals), p. 3-5, Ni Hong-mei et al., " The

Differential Expression of Genes in Teenagers with Kidney Yang Vacuity

Constitution by Gene-chip Technique. "

 

Interesting article on research into the underlying genetic

differences associated with a kidney yang vacuity constitution in

Chinese teenagers. Seems that there are some 127 genes involved, 63

up-regulated and 64 down-regulated which are associated with immunity,

developmental protein, cellular growth, cellular receptors, cellular

signals and transduction, translation and synthesis, etc. CM pattern

discrimination was done on 154 subjects 16-24 years old, six of whom

where categorized as presenting a pattern of kidney yang vacuity.

Among these six, there was one male and five females. The genes in

these six subjects were then compared to the genes of seven other

patients from the larger group who were considered to have a normal

constitution (two males and five females).

 

Although I don't understand all the technical information in this

article (probably not even if I were reading it in English), it

appears to support the contention previously debated on this forum

that every Chinese medical pattern is grounded in physiological and

anatomical changes or, in this case, differences within the body. I

believe that this type of research will ineventually reconcile the CM

and WM paradigms.

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

, " Bob Flaws " <pemachophel2001>

wrote:

it

> appears to support the contention previously debated on this forum

> that every Chinese medical pattern is grounded in physiological and

> anatomical changes or, in this case, [genetic] differences within the body. I

> believe that this type of research will ineventually reconcile the CM

> and WM paradigms.

 

Bob,

 

I agree wholeheartedly. this and nothing else. I specifically predicted that

differences in

the human genome will be shown to correlate with constitutional tendencies such

as

described by Bob. Drug companies are already researching the relationship

between

genome and drug efficacy and safety. the idea is that certain drugs will work

better in

certain types and have less or no side effects. sound familiar. However drug

research will

be slow and trial and error. If we could do the same type of research, but on

herbs, the

results would be profound. We NIH support for this, but this is the type of

thing we

should be doing. The NIH is way too concerned about political correctness in

who it award

CAM grants to. Some consideration of the reasonableness of a study needs to be

factored

in. We should start by stretching the mainstream paradigm, not by trying to

abandon it

from the start. I have wirten here many times on how paradigms change according

to

Kuhn To spend time on studying anything alternative as if all CAM is equal is a

serious

problem, why not begin with those methods that have pedigree, preliminary

research in

other countries, etc. If for no other reason that excessive emphasis on the

most highly

subjective forms of CAM will likely lead to a string of research failures and

doom the

funding of future study down truly promising avenues.

 

[Guest guest]

> appears to support the contention previously debated on this forum

> that every Chinese medical pattern is grounded in physiological and

> anatomical changes or, in this case, [genetic] differences within the

> body

 

Hi there everyone, I am going to introduce myself after asking my

question so people don't have to waste time...

 

I was hoping somebody could guide me to the subject name of the

" contention previously debated " above, I am very interested in how

biomedical science and CM have the potential to extend each other

without compromising the essential strengths each has to offer. I am

very much influenced by the Ken Wilber that I have read in this

regard... Bob, you live in Boulder, do you ever have any dealings with

him, and his Integral Institute?

 

My name is and I have only recently added my self to this

group. I have greatly enjoyed reading posts from undogmatic and

experienced Oriental Medicine practitioners about issues in our

industry today, as a student in my final year of TCM at the University

of Technology, Sydney (Australia), this is very refreshing.

 

In fact however, I am more strongly interested in acupuncture in

conjunction with meditation and dietary therapy/education than

pursuing herbal medicine... can anybody guide me to a similar

discussion group on the latest contemporary acupuncture practices,

perhaps one frequented by Mark Seem and Kiiko Matsumoto perhaps?

 

Cheers

Lionel from Sydney

[Guest guest]

, " Lo Pan " <lionel.y.chan@u...> wrote:

 

>

> I was hoping somebody could guide me to the subject name of the

> " contention previously debated " above, I am very interested in how

> biomedical science and CM have the potential to extend each other

> without compromising the essential strengths each has to offer. I am

> very much influenced by the Ken Wilber that I have read in this

> regard...

 

Lionel

 

My thoughts on this matter are also strongly influenced by Ken Wilber's

writings. Both Bob

and I have written extensively on this matter on this list, but it usually comes

up in the

context of another topic. I have sometimes mentioned Ken in my posts so using

wilber as

keyword might get you some.