Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Dear Phil, My cat Tiger was dx June 29th, 2004 with Bladder Cancer. It was fairly advanced but still localized in the base of the bladder descending to the neck @ that time. The vet @ the hosp Rx Piroxicam for the inflammation which had the secondary benefits of slowing down the tumor growths. She was also Rx Tapazole for a newly dx hyperthyroidism. She is taking an antibiotic periodically for hematuria that seems to help. Her kidney function at the time of dx was still fairly good. Is there any supportive or curative herbal preparation that you have found successful or helpful in treating this condition. I understand the bladder CA is very uncommon in felines and quite an aggressive form of CA. Tiger is 17 yo and was in very good health looking like a cat of 6 yrs before this. Any suggestions for treatment you have found to be helpful in your practice or in the practice of your colleagues would be most appreciated. Sincerely, Carole A Berberich L. Ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 , " Carole A Berberich " <carole3224> wrote: > Dear Phil, > > My cat Tiger was dx June 29th, 2004 with Bladder Cancer. Dear Carole I want to share my sympathy. I have also just gone through a sudden onset of serious illness in my 17 year old cat, who also looked and behaved like a 6 year old till 1 month ago. I also want to relieve Phil of a burden as I also approached him for help. While Phil would be very glad to help and is clearly exactly the sort of person who gives of himself without much concern for personal gain, he is unfortunately not a small animal vet. So I just wanted to let people know for future reference that Phil will always provide whatever information he can, but this is not his area of expertise. With a 1000 members on this list and most of us with beloved pets, I am sure the vets get quite a few requests for help. there are several other vets on this list who are small animal vets. Perhaps one of them will see this post and respond. From my own experience, older cats are very tolerant and practically thrive on huang bai and da huang. My theory, expressed several times here, is that cats tend to excess. They have a high body temp and eat a very tonfiying diet. Their short life does not really give time for eukaryotic cells to wear out from too many divisions. So it must be accumulated excess from meat. Older cats develop both urinary and bowel stoppage disorders due to dampheat and food stagnation. While there is likely vacuity in elderly cats, they don't seem to respond favorably to tonics and the vacuity really doesn't seem to show itself in healthy cats until close to the end. Both huang bai and da huang will clear heat from the lower jiao and relieve hematuria. Huang bai's active constituent, berberine, is also antineoplastic and very heavily researched for that use. With its affinity for the bladder, it would be my first choice. It mixes well with smelly wet food or tuna. I use 1/8 of the scoop included with KPC powders of each herb 2x/day. Disease may be inevitable in older animals, but I believe it can be held at bay and suffering confined to a short period before death with proper supplements. I have also seen remarkable effects from homeopathic phosphorus in all bleeding from the lower jiao. I crush 6X phosphorus and sprinkle it on food. If you can pill the cat, even better. A single dose might do. Finally, pancreatic enzymes may be useful, too. However, to be most effective, they should be given between meals. I am not sure about dose. good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Thank you for your concern. I am not familiar with " KPC " powder. Where do I get the KPC powder? When you say you crush " 6X " phosphorus are you referring to 6 capsules of such? What's the dosage of the phosphorus? Is there any adverse interaction created by combining Huang bai or Da Huang with Piroxicam or Tapazole, the medications she is currently on? Are the pancreatic enzymes you mention the same ones used for humans or are they feline specific? What dosage would you suggest I use for Tiger? She is 11 pounds. Tiger's birthday is Sept 28th. She'll be 18 yo if she makes it to that. I'm hoping she will as long as she's feeling comfortable in her body. Our animals are such special little creations of the universe or God as you know. I thank you for sharing you knowledge with me. I hope your cat is doing better or at least is more content. How is she/he doing? BTW who are the other vets on this interactive website that tx sm animals? Awaiting you reply, Carole < wrote: , " Carole A Berberich " <carole3224> wrote: > Dear Phil, > > My cat Tiger was dx June 29th, 2004 with Bladder Cancer. Dear Carole I want to share my sympathy. I have also just gone through a sudden onset of serious illness in my 17 year old cat, who also looked and behaved like a 6 year old till 1 month ago. I also want to relieve Phil of a burden as I also approached him for help. While Phil would be very glad to help and is clearly exactly the sort of person who gives of himself without much concern for personal gain, he is unfortunately not a small animal vet. So I just wanted to let people know for future reference that Phil will always provide whatever information he can, but this is not his area of expertise. With a 1000 members on this list and most of us with beloved pets, I am sure the vets get quite a few requests for help. there are several other vets on this list who are small animal vets. Perhaps one of them will see this post and respond. From my own experience, older cats are very tolerant and practically thrive on huang bai and da huang. My theory, expressed several times here, is that cats tend to excess. They have a high body temp and eat a very tonfiying diet. Their short life does not really give time for eukaryotic cells to wear out from too many divisions. So it must be accumulated excess from meat. Older cats develop both urinary and bowel stoppage disorders due to dampheat and food stagnation. While there is likely vacuity in elderly cats, they don't seem to respond favorably to tonics and the vacuity really doesn't seem to show itself in healthy cats until close to the end. Both huang bai and da huang will clear heat from the lower jiao and relieve hematuria. Huang bai's active constituent, berberine, is also antineoplastic and very heavily researched for that use. With its affinity for the bladder, it would be my first choice. It mixes well with smelly wet food or tuna. I use 1/8 of the scoop included with KPC powders of each herb 2x/day. Disease may be inevitable in older animals, but I believe it can be held at bay and suffering confined to a short period before death with proper supplements. I have also seen remarkable effects from homeopathic phosphorus in all bleeding from the lower jiao. I crush 6X phosphorus and sprinkle it on food. If you can pill the cat, even better. A single dose might do. Finally, pancreatic enzymes may be useful, too. However, to be most effective, they should be given between meals. I am not sure about dose. good luck. Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 , Carole A Berberich <carole3224> wrote: > Thank you for your concern. I am not familiar with " KPC " powder. Where do I get the KPC powder? granules, as from brion, lotus, mintong, etc. any brand will do. >When you say you crush " 6X " phosphorus are you referring to 6 capsules of such? go to a health food store and ask for homeopathic phosphorus 6x. they will know what you mean. then take three tablets and crush them onto a mouthful of wet food or pill the cat. Give one dose and wait a few days to see if it helps. >Is there any adverse interaction created by combining Huang bai or Da Huang with Piroxicam or Tapazole, the medications she is currently on? There shouldn't be a problem. giving huang bai is no different than giving an antibiotic. if that is safe, so is the huang bai. It should be given continuously as long as it seems to help. da huang exerts most of its action locally via the LI and seems noninteractive in the blood stream. You may have to adjust dosage to get a normal bowel movement. A good sizable daily smelly bowel movement can only help, but diarrhea is not good. Rhubarb of another species is actually used in a famous cancer remedy that escapes my mind. >Are the pancreatic enzymes you mention the same ones used for humans or are they feline specific? feline specific would be best because they would be dosed accordingly and the pills the right size. see if your vets or pet stores have any. Whatever it says to give with meals, double and give between meals. However start with the herbs and phosphorus, then only after seeing how the cat does, add the enzymes. If she tolerates that, bromelain, another enzyme, might also help. >She'll be 18 yo if she makes it to that. I'm hoping she will as long as she's feeling comfortable in her body. Let's hope for the best. As long as they don't suffer, still want fopd and attention, they get to stick around in my world. Only when life gets too rough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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