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Dear Phil,

 

My cat Tiger was dx June 29th, 2004 with Bladder Cancer. It was

fairly advanced but still localized in the base of the bladder

descending to the neck @ that time. The vet @ the hosp Rx Piroxicam

for the inflammation which had the secondary benefits of slowing down

the tumor growths. She was also Rx Tapazole for a newly dx

hyperthyroidism. She is taking an antibiotic periodically for

hematuria that seems to help. Her kidney function at the time of dx

was still fairly good. Is there any supportive or curative herbal

preparation that you have found successful or helpful in treating

this condition. I understand the bladder CA is very uncommon in

felines and quite an aggressive form of CA. Tiger is 17 yo and was

in very good health looking like a cat of 6 yrs before this. Any

suggestions for treatment you have found to be helpful in your

practice or in the practice of your colleagues would be most

appreciated.

 

Sincerely,

 

Carole A Berberich L. Ac

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, " Carole A Berberich "

<carole3224>

wrote:

> Dear Phil,

>

> My cat Tiger was dx June 29th, 2004 with Bladder Cancer.

 

 

Dear Carole

 

I want to share my sympathy. I have also just gone through a sudden onset of

serious

illness in my 17 year old cat, who also looked and behaved like a 6 year old

till 1 month

ago. I also want to relieve Phil of a burden as I also approached him for help.

While Phil

would be very glad to help and is clearly exactly the sort of person who gives

of himself

without much concern for personal gain, he is unfortunately not a small animal

vet. So I

just wanted to let people know for future reference that Phil will always

provide whatever

information he can, but this is not his area of expertise. With a 1000 members

on this list

and most of us with beloved pets, I am sure the vets get quite a few requests

for help.

there are several other vets on this list who are small animal vets. Perhaps

one of them

will see this post and respond.

 

From my own experience, older cats are very tolerant and practically thrive on

huang bai

and da huang. My theory, expressed several times here, is that cats tend to

excess. They

have a high body temp and eat a very tonfiying diet. Their short life does not

really give

time for eukaryotic cells to wear out from too many divisions. So it must be

accumulated

excess from meat. Older cats develop both urinary and bowel stoppage disorders

due to

dampheat and food stagnation. While there is likely vacuity in elderly cats,

they don't

seem to respond favorably to tonics and the vacuity really doesn't seem to show

itself in

healthy cats until close to the end.

 

Both huang bai and da huang will clear heat from the lower jiao and relieve

hematuria.

Huang bai's active constituent, berberine, is also antineoplastic and very

heavily

researched for that use. With its affinity for the bladder, it would be my

first choice. It

mixes well with smelly wet food or tuna. I use 1/8 of the scoop included with

KPC

powders of each herb 2x/day. Disease may be inevitable in older animals, but I

believe it

can be held at bay and suffering confined to a short period before death with

proper

supplements. I have also seen remarkable effects from homeopathic phosphorus in

all

bleeding from the lower jiao. I crush 6X phosphorus and sprinkle it on food.

If you can

pill the cat, even better. A single dose might do. Finally, pancreatic enzymes

may be

useful, too. However, to be most effective, they should be given between meals.

I am not

sure about dose. good luck.

 

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Thank you for your concern. I am not familiar with " KPC " powder. Where do I get

the KPC powder? When you say you crush " 6X " phosphorus are you referring to 6

capsules of such? What's the dosage of the phosphorus? Is there any adverse

interaction created by combining Huang bai or Da Huang with Piroxicam or

Tapazole, the medications she is currently on? Are the pancreatic enzymes you

mention the same ones used for humans or are they feline specific? What dosage

would you suggest I use for Tiger? She is 11 pounds. Tiger's birthday is Sept

28th. She'll be 18 yo if she makes it to that. I'm hoping she will as long as

she's feeling comfortable in her body. Our animals are such special little

creations of the universe or God as you know.

I thank you for sharing you knowledge with me. I hope your cat is doing better

or at least is more content. How is she/he doing?

 

BTW who are the other vets on this interactive website that tx sm animals?

 

Awaiting you reply,

 

Carole

 

< wrote:

, " Carole A Berberich "

<carole3224>

wrote:

> Dear Phil,

>

> My cat Tiger was dx June 29th, 2004 with Bladder Cancer.

 

 

Dear Carole

 

I want to share my sympathy. I have also just gone through a sudden onset of

serious

illness in my 17 year old cat, who also looked and behaved like a 6 year old

till 1 month

ago. I also want to relieve Phil of a burden as I also approached him for help.

While Phil

would be very glad to help and is clearly exactly the sort of person who gives

of himself

without much concern for personal gain, he is unfortunately not a small animal

vet. So I

just wanted to let people know for future reference that Phil will always

provide whatever

information he can, but this is not his area of expertise. With a 1000 members

on this list

and most of us with beloved pets, I am sure the vets get quite a few requests

for help.

there are several other vets on this list who are small animal vets. Perhaps

one of them

will see this post and respond.

 

From my own experience, older cats are very tolerant and practically thrive on

huang bai

and da huang. My theory, expressed several times here, is that cats tend to

excess. They

have a high body temp and eat a very tonfiying diet. Their short life does not

really give

time for eukaryotic cells to wear out from too many divisions. So it must be

accumulated

excess from meat. Older cats develop both urinary and bowel stoppage disorders

due to

dampheat and food stagnation. While there is likely vacuity in elderly cats,

they don't

seem to respond favorably to tonics and the vacuity really doesn't seem to show

itself in

healthy cats until close to the end.

 

Both huang bai and da huang will clear heat from the lower jiao and relieve

hematuria.

Huang bai's active constituent, berberine, is also antineoplastic and very

heavily

researched for that use. With its affinity for the bladder, it would be my

first choice. It

mixes well with smelly wet food or tuna. I use 1/8 of the scoop included with

KPC

powders of each herb 2x/day. Disease may be inevitable in older animals, but I

believe it

can be held at bay and suffering confined to a short period before death with

proper

supplements. I have also seen remarkable effects from homeopathic phosphorus in

all

bleeding from the lower jiao. I crush 6X phosphorus and sprinkle it on food.

If you can

pill the cat, even better. A single dose might do. Finally, pancreatic enzymes

may be

useful, too. However, to be most effective, they should be given between meals.

I am not

sure about dose. good luck.

 

 

 

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, Carole A Berberich <carole3224>

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> Thank you for your concern. I am not familiar with " KPC " powder. Where do I

get the

KPC powder?

 

 

granules, as from brion, lotus, mintong, etc. any brand will do.

 

>When you say you crush " 6X " phosphorus are you referring to 6 capsules of such?

 

go to a health food store and ask for homeopathic phosphorus 6x. they will know

what

you mean. then take three tablets and crush them onto a mouthful of wet food or

pill the

cat. Give one dose and wait a few days to see if it helps.

 

>Is there any adverse interaction created by combining Huang bai or Da Huang

with

Piroxicam or Tapazole, the medications she is currently on?

 

There shouldn't be a problem. giving huang bai is no different than giving an

antibiotic. if

that is safe, so is the huang bai. It should be given continuously as long as

it seems to

help. da huang exerts most of its action locally via the LI and seems

noninteractive in the

blood stream. You may have to adjust dosage to get a normal bowel movement. A

good

sizable daily smelly bowel movement can only help, but diarrhea is not good.

Rhubarb of

another species is actually used in a famous cancer remedy that escapes my mind.

 

 

>Are the pancreatic enzymes you mention the same ones used for humans or are

they

feline specific?

 

 

feline specific would be best because they would be dosed accordingly and the

pills the

right size. see if your vets or pet stores have any. Whatever it says to give

with meals,

double and give between meals. However start with the herbs and phosphorus,

then only

after seeing how the cat does, add the enzymes. If she tolerates that,

bromelain, another

enzyme, might also help.

 

>She'll be 18 yo if she makes it to that. I'm hoping she will as long as she's

feeling

comfortable in her body.

 

Let's hope for the best. As long as they don't suffer, still want fopd and

attention, they get

to stick around in my world. Only when life gets too rough...

 

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