Appreciation Letter to Dr Phil Rogers DVM

[Guest guest]

Dear Phil,

 

Please excuse my delay in thanking you for your kind words, medical advice,

sincerity and referral to Are. I have written Are off line @ the address you

gave me and am awaiting a response. I am not familiar with Are Thoresen. Is he

on this interactive website that we belong to? You had suggested contacting an

herbalist. Do you know of one that you could refer me to?

 

Phil I recall when I was in acupuncture school reading some of your articles on

vet acupuncture. You discussed the acupuncture points used, E-Stim, treatment

duration/freq, efficacy of one method over another, etc. I remember being very

impressed by your dedication and compassion. My recollection of the animals you

treated is hazy. I can remember you talking about horses and cattle. What type

of animals do you treat?

How and why did you get into it? If you don't mind me asking, I curious.

 

Thank you,

 

Carole Berberich

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, Carole A Berberich <carole3224>

wrote:

> Dear Phil,

>

> Please excuse my delay in thanking you for your kind words, medical advice,

sincerity

and referral to Are. I have written Are off line @ the address you gave me and

am awaiting

a response. I am not familiar with Are Thoresen. Is he on this interactive

website that we

belong to? You had suggested contacting an herbalist. Do you know of one that

you could

refer me to?

 

Carole

 

Are is on this list. I did not realize he is a vet. I wanted to follow up on

the phosphorus.

If the 6X does not work or does not " hold " , do not repeat it. go up to 30X.

Save the 6x as

you might need it later. If the 30X does not help, do not repeat it. It is

vital that the

homeopathy not be repeated. They do not work like herbs. Also, whoever treates

your

cat, I want to reiterate my strongly held observation that cats do best when

cleared of

excess and tonics are of little use and often detrimental. Many vets who

practice TCM

seem to have gotten on the " four paws, five elements " bandwagon. I think the

vet who

wrote this book goes way over the top on tonics (like many in the human field as

well) and

the only reason that little harm is done is because she uses such low doses.

Animals that

are unwell may respond to low doses, but truly sick animals are like humans.

They need

strong medicine when it comes to herbs. I would also recommend external qi

gong. Cats

seems to respond well to this therapy for sx relief.

 

Keep in mind very few vets have actually studied TCM for four years with

clinical training,

much less did a veterinary TCM internship. If we are concerned about MD's

practicing

TCM with inadequate training, we should be even moreso about vets. At least TCM

has a

hx of treating humans. Treating cats was (and is) pretty rare in china. I

would inquire

carefully about the vet's training. No offense to those whom I have never met,

but I have

given up on so-called " holistic " vets when it comes to TCM herbology. I have

never

worked with one who really knew enough about TCM to be effective and were often

dangerous. The ones I have worked with are not sophisticated about hot, cold,

excess and

vacuity, nor sensitive to cats high tendency to have adverse reactions to strong

meds (or

herbs). Giving a complex formula to a cat is not safe. The only safe thing to

do with

unknown substances is try them one by one. And you must know herbal

biochemistry too.

What if you give an herb containing salicylates to a cat. Your ignorance would

kill the cat

and you should be held liable.

 

This is not an attack on well meaning vets, but examples of why doing TCM

herbology

requires extensive training, far more than is necessary for an MD to do safe

acupuncture,

IMO. I use vets to make diagnoses and make a prognosis if their expereince

makes this

possible. But when it comes to herbs, I have had far more success on my own.

Choosing

herbs is not hard for cats. Knowing what goes on in their bodies and minds is.

But lab

tests and imaging have always honed my TCM dx. In fact, was guilty of using

tonics on

my elderly cats (despite obvious poor reactions) until an exam by the vet

revealed severe

constipation as the reason for my cats dehydration and loss of appetite. I

purged him and

he was fine. With his diet so rich in meat and fish, it wasn't a lack of fat

that that failed to

grease the skids, so to speak, but pure and simple food stagnation. However the

fatigue

and LOA made me think qi xu.

 

This same cat suffers from a wei syndrome as a result of immunocompromise and a

toxoplasmosis infection from eating raw meat. When he began to have balance

problems

and urinary dribbling (like MS actually), I assumed he was waning at his age and

began to

give tonics for wei syndrome. He worsened and worsened, finally got severe

hemafecia

from antibiotics and almost died. One dose of phosphorus after two weeks of not

knowing what to do, immediately stopped the hemafecia, which never returned.

Then he

ate a lot of meat to regain his strength and became constipated as a result. He

then went

into this decline due to the constipation and I assumed he was on the way out.

However

after we identified the problem with an exam, he given enemas and has been

maintained

on laxatives and fiber ever since. Immediately after being purged and staying

clear after

that, he finally began to improve and now has actually regained some of his

deficit.

 

When explaining the risk of incorrect tonification to my students, I use the

analogy of a

full glass of water (a state of borderline repletion). If you add even a single

drop, you

make a mess. However if you have a 3/4 glass of water (a state of vacuity) and

you take a

drop away, it is unnoticeable. When in doubt, drain. It is always safer at

first than

tonifying and almost always indicated in chronic illness. While Mr. Flaws might

argue the

necessity of vacuity and excess, either that doesn't always apply or cats just

don't have

much vacuity until they lose their appetites near the end of their lives. BTW,

get your cats

thyroid rechecked after doing the herbs for a month to see if you can get her

off the meds.

Is she hungry, losing weight and hyperactive?