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Bai Hua She She Cao is often used as the herb of choice in auto immune diseases.

doug

 

 

>

> Lastly:

> I treated SLE as a large part of my practice in Massachusetts during the 90s

> and Professor Ding's theorems were very useful along with toxic heat. My

> studies with Gu Neiqiang have given me an excellent addition to my

armamentarium

> for Lupus; his insight into the use of bai hua she she cao for the management

of

> these types of conditions has been useful. Dr Gu will speak on the subject at

> the AAOM conference this October in Las Vegas.

>

> Best -

>

> Will

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>

> William R. Morris, L.Ac., O.M.D.

> Dean of Educational Advancement

> Emperor's College of Oriental Medicine

> 310-453-8300 phone

> 310-829-3838 fax

> will@e...

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Doug -

 

True...can you speak to some of your experience in that regard? I know Gu

Neiqiang can really get going on the various reasons why it is often used in

autoimmune disorders. Another medicinal that is often used in autoimmune

disorders

is tu fu ling. The notes I gave provide some sources on that.

 

Will

 

> Bai Hua She She Cao is often used as the herb of choice in auto immune

> diseases.

>

 

 

William R. Morris, L.Ac., O.M.D.

Dean of Educational Advancement

Emperor's College of Oriental Medicine

310-453-8300 phone

310-829-3838 fax

will

 

 

 

 

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Bai Hua she she Cao was something that kept coming up in the dermatology

department

at the Beijing Hospital. Not surprising the head of the Department (sorry,

forgot her name

right now) had a special interest in Sjorgen's and SLE and talked often about

the

autoimmune qualities of BHSSC.

I asked Dr. Gu about Bai HSS Cao this morning and he explained that it worked on

both

aspects of immune response... raising interferon levels while lowering IGg

(heat). (This

greatly oversimplified explanation reflects my ignorance, not his knowledge.)

 

doug

 

 

, WMorris116@A... wrote:

> Doug -

>

> True...can you speak to some of your experience in that regard? I know Gu

> Neiqiang can really get going on the various reasons why it is often used in

> autoimmune disorders. Another medicinal that is often used in autoimmune

disorders

> is tu fu ling. The notes I gave provide some sources on that.

>

> Will

>

> > Bai Hua She She Cao is often used as the herb of choice in auto immune

> > diseases.

> >

>

>

> William R. Morris, L.Ac., O.M.D.

> Dean of Educational Advancement

> Emperor's College of Oriental Medicine

> 310-453-8300 phone

> 310-829-3838 fax

> will@e...

>

>

>

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, WMorris116@A... wrote:

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> Yang Tiande has suggested that the shao yang is the most common area for

> pathogens to lurk in the SHL model and that the qi stage is the most common

area

> in the wen bing schema.

 

Will

 

Thanks for all the notes. We need as much input on this subject as possible.

However I

am unclear what you mean about " qi stage is the most common area [for pathogens

to

lurk] in the wen bing schema " . What pathogen do you refer to? Wind-warmth,

spring-

warmth, summerheat, some other? My reading of Liu suggets that spring-warmth

can lurk

in either qi,ying or xue. It is determined by the s/s at a flareup. Unless s/s

confirm qi

level, it should not be treated as such. I am sure you agree. This is my point

about theory

and etiology. They do not confirm a case. Only present s/s and past hx do. I

have no

idea who Dr. Yang is, but a lot of variables are at play in warm disease. Where

did he

practice? In what era? Who were his patients? What were their diseases. Etc.

Is he

referring to his experience in Socal? Certainly MS patients often present as

liver yin xu

with wind, a blood or ying level pattern.

 

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