Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 " " That is quite a leap from what I call 'suspicion' to what you call " jumping to an LP scenario. " I believe I have given extensive criteria for making a proper differential diagnosis using the pulse in previous posts. Also, I would agree with the scenarios for which you have suggested a 'rule out.' I guess I am confused about the intent of your post given the larger context of dialogue taking place here. Maybe you can clarify. Will > But when patients are aggravated > >> with supplementation, I have to suspect lurking pathogens if they were > >not > >> apparent initially. > > > > > >I was thinking the same thing. Many patient do not tolerate tonics and > >this may be one > >reason. gu syndrome is another. > [Jason] > I think there are many reasons, and one should not IMO jump to a LP > scenario. I.e. Spleen cannot digest the 'greasy' tonics. The Rx could also > not be written for the proper % of stagnation and supplementation, hence > further clogging the system... > If some does takes tonics and one thinks there is a LP, how does this help > you treat the patient (meaning from a LP theory perspective?) Can you give > some examples. > > Will Morris, LAc., OMD, MSEd Secretary AAOM 310-453-8300 phone 310-829-3838 fax This message is a PRIVATE communication. This e-mail and any attachments may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, or use it, and do not disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message with the word delete in the subject column, and then delete it and any attachments from your system. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 > >WMorris116 [WMorris116] >Friday, September 24, 2004 11:11 PM > > Latency! > > " " > >That is quite a leap from what I call 'suspicion' to what you call " jumping >to an LP scenario. " I believe I have given extensive criteria for making a >proper differential diagnosis using the pulse in previous posts. Also, I >would >agree with the scenarios for which you have suggested a 'rule out.' > >I guess I am confused about the intent of your post given the larger >context >of dialogue taking place here. Maybe you can clarify. > [Jason] The intent was purely to present that there are other more common reasons that people can't tolerate tonic herbs, b/c at least in my mind the LP scenario is really pretty far down the list...you stated that: " ... I have to suspect lurking pathogens if they were not... " This to me suggests that you think of it quite quickly (i.e. have to)... So my questions are: 1) have you heard this idea discussed in Chinese somewhere 2) How does it help your treatment.. meaning what do you do once you believe that a lurking pathogen is not letting them take the tonic herbs 3) I am still unclear how you determine if this is indeed the case... Finally I didn't see an answer in your previous post on how a lurking pathogen manifests that is lurking in the qi level. What does this really mean (manifestation) is it purely on the pulse???, and how do you treat it... If you don't understand what I am asking I will be happy to clarify... My intent is to learn, that is it... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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