Nigel Wiseman's CD [Dictionary but not the PD]

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve, & All,

 

Steve wrote

> Hi Phil, I agree with what you say here. My post was specifically

> in response to the claim that TCM has to change its terminology

> into those of WM or it has no future. The idea you present here is

> also the best solution IMO. That is, have a accessible reference

> for WM to look up when they have something they wish to understand

> about TCM.......but this is very different from changing all TCM

> terms to WM ones. Where is this recent Wiseman CD? I want it!!!!

> Best Wishes, Steve

 

I do not know if the CD is in the shops yet. Nigel had a few copies

at the Manchester TCM conference last summer.

 

Try an email to " 'Nigel Wiseman' " <nigel.wiseman

 

Note: This CD has NOT the detail of the Preactical Dictionary. It is

only a list of the terms used. It is useful, but IMO, the PD on disc

would be fantastic.

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

Email: <

 

WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

 

HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

 

Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing

it "

[Guest guest]

> I do not know if the CD is in the shops yet. Nigel had a few

copies

> at the Manchester TCM conference last summer.

> Note: This CD has NOT the detail of the Preactical Dictionary. It

is

> only a list of the terms used. It is useful, but IMO, the PD on

disc

> would be fantastic.

 

 

The cd is not a dictionary, it is a searchable term list used by

translators. It is not of much value to people who do not read

books in Chinese. The PD itself has the Chinese pegged to the

English, so if you just want to find out the Chinese/English term

correspondences- use the index in the PD.

 

You don't need some fancy software to figure out which character is

translated as " enrich. " The cd term list is not a shortcut for

people who forget their ABCs, it is used by people who are trying to

deal with Chinese texts with thousands of terms to make sense of.

 

Like Bob just said- the cd is not a commercial product. It is not a

product useful to consumers. It is just a tool that is used by

translators who have their heads on straight enough to use

accountable terminology. It is not " in the shops, " because it is

not a product for shoppers.

 

The practical dictionary is not a product on CD. It is not going to

be a CD- it is a reference book. Go to the bookstore! It's not as

though an index in a printed book is a hard thing to use. Chinese

medicine has flourished for thousands of years, and Chinese books

don't even have INDEXES!

 

The PD took Nigel ten years to write. Who wants to spend 10 years

of their life working on a book just to have it pirated and given

away for free? get real.

 

nigel would have made twice as much money cleaning toilets in a low-

income school district than he made writing the PD. It's not like

your book purchasing dollars are adding a few extra pennies to the

bloated fortunes of a texas oil baron.

 

Big WM reference books like Harrison's are online and searchable,

but guess what? Schools pay a subscription fee to offer it to their

students. Maybe if TCM schools wanted to do this type of thing,

people would make their printed material accessible for school

computers by subscription. Until then, Phil, why do you continue to

write so many posts suggesting that highly-trained scholars should

spend their lives working for free just so that you can click your

mouse with full convenience?

 

I don't mean to be rude. But Nigel has sacrificed his entire life

to minimally paid work for the laudable cause of improving the

Western transmission of Chinese medicine. It is an insult to the

selfless dedication he has given to his work to suggest that he give

all his work out for free. Nigel cares about benefitting the

profession and is a very generous person. If he wanted his work to

be completely exploited, he would have probably have been content

picking strawberries with migrant workers in California.

 

I apologize for the slightly harsh tone of this post.

 

Eric

 

btw, steve's question was handled off list.

 

 

, " "

<@e...> wrote:

> Hi Steve, & All,

>

> Steve wrote

> > Hi Phil, I agree with what you say here. My post was specifically

> > in response to the claim that TCM has to change its terminology

> > into those of WM or it has no future. The idea you present here

is

> > also the best solution IMO. That is, have a accessible reference

> > for WM to look up when they have something they wish to

understand

> > about TCM.......but this is very different from changing all TCM

> > terms to WM ones. Where is this recent Wiseman CD? I want it!!!!

> > Best Wishes, Steve

>

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Email: <@e...>

>

> WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

> Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

>

> HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

> Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

> WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

>

> Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not

interrupt man doing it "

[Guest guest]

Phil ( & others),

 

I'm sorry that my previous post was so sharp. I would love to have

the PD on my computer, as I'm sure many people would. It would be

great if someone had a way to create a solution to have electronic

info available in a way that did not lend itself to free copying.

Unfortunately, we all love to copy useful things for our friends to

use. It is human nature to burn a cd, but it is harmful to the

publishers and authors who have worked so hard to produce these

valuable references.

 

I agree that it would be great if all these resources were freely

available, but authors have to make a living. My post was not harsh

because of this one suggestion. The problem is that Nigel has been

repeatedly frustrated because for many years people have criticized

his work yet no one has put forth any effort to make a viable

alternative. Invariably the topic turns to a desire to unify

terminology, and invariably it is suggested that Nigel do all the

work of creating the term list.

 

This is not the first time that people have suggested that Nigel's

20+ years of term compilation should be available for appropriation

by competing parties. Others are interested in having a big

developed list of their own but are not interested in doing the work

to create such a list.

 

Who would benefit by a synonym list? The simple concepts are

transparent no matter what language you use- we all know what people

mean by deficiency, vacuity, xu, etc. The complex issues like the

four-fold division of abdominal masses or the varying types of

seminal emission are just simplified in most books, so most Wiseman

terms that are of the greatest value have no developed synonyms in

the first place.

pointed out that we are approaching two decades of no viable

alternatives. Nobody is discouraging multiple flowers from growing,

but no one else is planting any seeds, much less tending their

crops. However, multiple people have offered to transplant Nigel's

fully mature crops into their gardens so they can trim a few leaves

and enter the fruits into the contest as their own.

 

Nigel has never discouraged other terminologies from developing, and

he has made his own terminology an open source for the world to

use. He has contributed vastly to the amount of resources available

for anyone else interested in developing a cohesive terminology, yet

no one has shown any interest. You criticize his term choices while

simultaneously asking him to do all the tedious work for you.

 

I don't mean anything personal and I apologize for the tone of my

prior post. I just think it is very insulting to ask him to do all

the work. If his word choices aren't satisfying to you, why don't

you make your own list of 30,000 terms instead of asking other

people to do it for you so that can manipulate the final product?

 

Most people who are aware of the complex issue of terminology think

that Nigel did a damn good job. The few primary dissenting voices

typically have financial interests rather than cohesive arguments.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

To my knowledge the copy protection scheme used by the most recent

version of Q-Puncture has not been cracked (StarForce 3). It's been

out for a while, and could be an option. Hard core hackers have been

able to write custom hacks for specific applications along with some

hardware modifications to make starforce 3 copies work. This solution

only works on a VERY small scale and is statistically insignificant.

(Not to mention that the requisite 12 year old Russian hacker will not

give a hoot about writing a crack for the PD, and that crack would

still require significant tomfoolery with every illegal user's

hardware setup).

 

Just a thought.

 

-Tim

 

http://www.gameburnworld.com/protections_starforce.htm

http://www.star-force.com/index.phtml?category=16 & type=5

 

, " smilinglotus "

<smilinglotus> wrote:

>

> Phil ( & others),

>

> I'm sorry that my previous post was so sharp. I would love to have

> the PD on my computer, as I'm sure many people would. It would be

> great if someone had a way to create a solution to have electronic

> info available in a way that did not lend itself to free copying.

> Unfortunately, we all love to copy useful things for our friends to

> use. It is human nature to burn a cd, but it is harmful to the

> publishers and authors who have worked so hard to produce these

> valuable references.

[Guest guest]

Just my 2 cents on copyrights... Microsoft and Apple Computer both very

profitable giants have had millions stolen from them. Yet if their toil were

not " accessible " they would not zillionaires today. Both companies

intentionally give away new and developing products to seed their expansion.

Movies, Music, Software and hardware are larger today than " they " ever

imaged. " Napster " was a free site giving stuff away for free, and worth

billions while a great vehicle for unknown artists. Record sales - according

to top ten charts - are higher. Thirty years ago (in the United States) you

couldn't give away an acupuncture book - except as a paperweight. And they

were very few available. Isn't there an old Chinese proverb about giving

away things for free and they come back a thousand fold! a win-win for all

we all benefit from an explosion of knowledge.

 

Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA.

 

 

 

" Tim Sharpe " <listserve

Re: Nigel Wiseman's CD [Dictionary but not the PD]

To my knowledge the copy protection scheme used by the most recent version

of Q-Puncture has not been cracked (StarForce 3). It's been out for a

while, and could be an option. Hard core hackers have been able to write

custom hacks for specific applications along with some hardware

modifications to make starforce 3 copies work. This solution only works on

a VERY small scale and is statistically insignificant.

 

Phil ( & others), It would be great if someone had a way to create a

solution to have electronic info available in a way that did not lend itself

to free copying. Unfortunately, we all love to copy useful things for our

friends to use. It is human nature to burn a cd, but it is harmful to the

publishers and authors who have worked so hard to produce these valuable

references.

 

 

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