Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Hi all, Does anyone have a recipe for shuinko, the Japanese burn salve? Thanks in advance, Jill A. Likkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 and while we're on the subject....what's wrong with just using Ching Wan Hung for shuinko? Anybody got any ideas on that? Or just japanese chauvinism? sorry to be cheeky... ann brameier Hi all, Does anyone have a recipe for shuinko, the Japanese burn salve? Thanks in advance, Jill A. Likkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Shiunko is simply zi cao yao in Chinese medicine (used both in Japan and China), a salve based on zi cao/lithospermum, dang gui, hong hua, tao ren and sesame oil. It is useful for clearing heat, stimulating healing of flesh, and relieving multiple skin conditions. Ching Wan Hung is better for burns, but doesn't really treat skin problems as well. I was introduced to this salve in 1971 by Noboru Muramoto when I contracted severe frostbite on several toes. Using this salve, combined with moxa treatment and wood ash in hot water cured the condition. I used the same treatment a few years later for a young man who contracted severe frostbite when trapped in a blizzard at 14,000 feet in the Rockies, and saved his fingers and toes from amputation. Saving my own toes contributed to me devoting my life to Chinese medicine as a career. On Oct 20, 2004, at 9:01 PM, snakeoil.works wrote: > and while we're on the subject....what's wrong with just using Ching > Wan Hung for shuinko? Anybody got any ideas on that? Or just japanese > chauvinism? > sorry to be cheeky... > ann brameier > > > > > Hi all, > Does anyone have a recipe for shuinko, the Japanese burn salve? > Thanks in advance, > Jill A. Likkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Zev, It seems the Ching Wan Hung discussion was had before on these lists; it seems some have reported it very good for a variety of skin conditions. What makes you think that CWH would not have worked as well in your remarkable story? (The box says it contains, in the same sesame oil and beeswax: Commiphora Myrrha, Angelica Polymorpha Sinensis, Carthaus Tinctorius, Mastic(Pistacia Lentiscus L.), Frustuc Chaemnomeles Spp., and Sanguisorba Officinalis...fyi.) Have you seen side by side comparisons of the two ointments? Just curious...very curious. ann - " " <zrosenbe Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:17 AM Re: Shuinko Shiunko is simply zi cao yao in Chinese medicine (used both in Japan and China), a salve based on zi cao/lithospermum, dang gui, hong hua, tao ren and sesame oil. It is useful for clearing heat, stimulating healing of flesh, and relieving multiple skin conditions. Ching Wan Hung is better for burns, but doesn't really treat skin problems as well. I was introduced to this salve in 1971 by Noboru Muramoto when I contracted severe frostbite on several toes. Using this salve, combined with moxa treatment and wood ash in hot water cured the condition. I used the same treatment a few years later for a young man who contracted severe frostbite when trapped in a blizzard at 14,000 feet in the Rockies, and saved his fingers and toes from amputation. Saving my own toes contributed to me devoting my life to Chinese medicine as a career. On Oct 20, 2004, at 9:01 PM, snakeoil.works wrote: > and while we're on the subject....what's wrong with just using Ching > Wan Hung for shuinko? Anybody got any ideas on that? Or just japanese > chauvinism? > sorry to be cheeky... > ann brameier > > > > > Hi all, > Does anyone have a recipe for shuinko, the Japanese burn salve? > Thanks in advance, > Jill A. Likkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 sorry: that's Carthamus tinctorius and Fructus Chaenomeles Spp. (Finger dyslexia 8-) > Zev, > It seems the Ching Wan Hung discussion was had before on these lists; it > seems some have reported it very good for a variety of skin conditions. What > makes you think that CWH would not have worked as well in your remarkable > story? (The box says it contains, in the same sesame oil and beeswax: > Commiphora Myrrha, Angelica Polymorpha Sinensis, Carthaus Tinctorius, > Mastic(Pistacia Lentiscus L.), Frustuc Chaemnomeles Spp., and Sanguisorba > Officinalis...fyi.) > > Have you seen side by side comparisons of the two ointments? Just > curious...very curious. > > ann > > > - > " " <zrosenbe > > Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:17 AM > Re: Shuinko > > > > Shiunko is simply zi cao yao in Chinese medicine (used both in Japan > and China), a salve based on zi cao/lithospermum, dang gui, hong hua, > tao ren and sesame oil. It is useful for clearing heat, stimulating > healing of flesh, and relieving multiple skin conditions. Ching Wan > Hung is better for burns, but doesn't really treat skin problems as > well. > > I was introduced to this salve in 1971 by Noboru Muramoto when I > contracted severe frostbite on several toes. Using this salve, > combined with moxa treatment and wood ash in hot water cured the > condition. I used the same treatment a few years later for a young man > who contracted severe frostbite when trapped in a blizzard at 14,000 > feet in the Rockies, and saved his fingers and toes from amputation. > > Saving my own toes contributed to me devoting my life to Chinese > medicine as a career. > > > On Oct 20, 2004, at 9:01 PM, snakeoil.works wrote: > > > and while we're on the subject....what's wrong with just using Ching > > Wan Hung for shuinko? Anybody got any ideas on that? Or just japanese > > chauvinism? > > sorry to be cheeky... > > ann brameier > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > Does anyone have a recipe for shuinko, the Japanese burn salve? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jill A. Likkel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 , <snakeoil.works@m...> wrote: > and while we're on the subject....what's wrong with just using Ching Wan Hung for shuinko? Anybody got any ideas on that? Or just japanese chauvinism? > sorry to be cheeky... > ann brameier > Funny that you would mention Ching Wan Hung because I have been using it all day and I decided it wasn't firm enough. It needs more bee's wax. i do think the formulas smell very similiar. This is why I wanted the shuinko recipe. Jill A. Likkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > Shiunko is simply zi cao yao in Chinese medicine (used both in Japan > and China), a salve based on zi cao/lithospermum, dang gui, hong hua, > tao ren and sesame oil. It is useful for clearing heat, stimulating > healing of flesh, and relieving multiple skin conditions. Zev, Thanks for sharing this remarkable story! I'll be sure to have some on hand for any snow camping expedition. Do you know the percentages of the ingredients? Thanks again, Jill Likkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 ooooh. You mean the CWH is too plain oily? The shiunko i seem to recall was a bit more grainy...gritty...sorta. Is that what you mean? ann , <snakeoil.works@m...> wrote: > and while we're on the subject....what's wrong with just using Ching Wan Hung for shuinko? Anybody got any ideas on that? Or just japanese chauvinism? > sorry to be cheeky... > ann brameier > Funny that you would mention Ching Wan Hung because I have been using it all day and I decided it wasn't firm enough. It needs more bee's wax. i do think the formulas smell very similiar. This is why I wanted the shuinko recipe. Jill A. Likkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 , <snakeoil.works@m...> wrote: > ooooh. You mean the CWH is too plain oily? The shiunko i seem to recall was a bit more grainy...gritty...sorta. Is that what you mean? > > ann > > > Ann, CWH is too liquid or oily, the melting point is lower because it doesn't have as much wax in it. The shuinko you had was probably gritty because it wasn't filtered enough. I have seen it gritty and non-gritty. Thanks Jill L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 oooh again. Well this is kinda like " all you ever wanted to know about shiunko, but were afraid to ask " . What is your source of the stuff, btw? And maybe you could just melt and add some beeswax to the CWH. Different ingredients, but maybe similar effect. Better living thru kitchenry. ann , <snakeoil.works@m...> wrote: > ooooh. You mean the CWH is too plain oily? The shiunko i seem to recall was a bit more grainy...gritty...sorta. Is that what you mean? > > ann > > > Ann, CWH is too liquid or oily, the melting point is lower because it doesn't have as much wax in it. The shuinko you had was probably gritty because it wasn't filtered enough. I have seen it gritty and non-gritty. Thanks Jill L. Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Different companies have different percentages, most of which don't list them on the label. I like the Spring Wind version (Spring Wind Ointment), the Blue Poppy one is also very good. On Oct 20, 2004, at 9:51 PM, Jill A. Likkel wrote: > > , " " > <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > > Shiunko is simply zi cao yao in Chinese medicine (used both in > Japan > > and China), a salve based on zi cao/lithospermum, dang gui, hong > hua, > > tao ren and sesame oil. It is useful for clearing heat, > stimulating > > healing of flesh, and relieving multiple skin conditions. > > Zev, > Thanks for sharing this remarkable story! I'll be sure to have some > on hand for any snow camping expedition. Do you know the > percentages of the ingredients? > Thanks again, > Jill Likkel > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including board approved continuing education classes, an annual > conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Ditto on Spring Wind Ointment. It is juuuuuust right! Not too gritty, not too oily, and does all the right things. Haven't tried Blue Poppy version. Frances Gander wrote: >Different companies have different percentages, most of which don't >list them on the label. I like the Spring Wind version (Spring Wind >Ointment), the Blue Poppy one is also very good. > > >On Oct 20, 2004, at 9:51 PM, Jill A. Likkel wrote: > > > >> , " " >> <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: >> > Shiunko is simply zi cao yao in Chinese medicine (used both in >> Japan >> > and China), a salve based on zi cao/lithospermum, dang gui, hong >> hua, >> > tao ren and sesame oil. It is useful for clearing heat, >> stimulating >> > healing of flesh, and relieving multiple skin conditions. >> >> Zev, >> Thanks for sharing this remarkable story! I'll be sure to have some >> on hand for any snow camping expedition. Do you know the >> percentages of the ingredients? >> Thanks again, >> Jill Likkel >> >> >> >> >> >>Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, >>including board approved continuing education classes, an annual >>conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 The shiunko formula I've seen was just dang gui and zi cao, and I've made a couple of batches with a friend. I'm pretty sure its about the same as the stuff that Kiiko makes, I think I got the formula from one of her students... it was equal parts of the two herbs simmered in sesame oil till the herbs are cooked (essentially deep fried), pour it off and add wax till you get the desired consistency (I start at 1oz dry weight wax to six liquid oz oil and work up from there, if you make a fair amount of oil you can do a number of test batches and you can thicken the then ones and thin the thick, provided you can keep your ratios straight. Also, get one kind of wax and stick with it. I've had trouble with consistancy due to using different sources of beeswax. The stuff they sell in art shops is processed and very hard whereas the the beekeeper stuff I've gotten has been ductile and produced much softer products [maybe with lower water content or some other impurities, I suppose it could be honey....?] ). She also used some sort of shortening or lard in it, but I skipped it and it came out fine. You may want to strain it through cheesecloth after the oil cools before adding the wax, but I've made batches both ways and I don't think the grittiness came from the herbs, I think it might come from cooling too quick or some sort of coagulation. If you get a gritty batch try remelting it in a low heat oven with the caps off the jars. The woman who makes the shiunko we sell at the school has started making an olive oil variety which seems to work about as well, and is less sesame stinky with a nice dang gui smell. Make sure you don't get the hairy junk (potentilla chinensis) they sell for zi cao gen (radix lithospermi), just the purple dry roots, the other stuff might work as a sub in internal medicine but it doesn't color the same way the roots do. Also, instead of simmering you can throw the mess into a crockpot and let it go for a day or so, it stinks up the house less. Par - " frances gander " <threetreasures Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:40 PM Re: Shuinko > > > Ditto on Spring Wind Ointment. It is juuuuuust right! Not too gritty, > not too oily, and does all the right things. Haven't tried Blue Poppy > version. > Frances Gander > > wrote: > >>Different companies have different percentages, most of which don't >>list them on the label. I like the Spring Wind version (Spring Wind >>Ointment), the Blue Poppy one is also very good. >> >> >>On Oct 20, 2004, at 9:51 PM, Jill A. Likkel wrote: >> >> >> >>> , " " >>> <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: >>> > Shiunko is simply zi cao yao in Chinese medicine (used both in >>> Japan >>> > and China), a salve based on zi cao/lithospermum, dang gui, hong >>> hua, >>> > tao ren and sesame oil. It is useful for clearing heat, >>> stimulating >>> > healing of flesh, and relieving multiple skin conditions. >>> >>> Zev, >>> Thanks for sharing this remarkable story! I'll be sure to have some >>> on hand for any snow camping expedition. Do you know the >>> percentages of the ingredients? >>> Thanks again, >>> Jill Likkel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, >>>including board approved continuing education classes, an annual >>>conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 I teach a class on Chinese herb preparation and have made several batches of Shiunko. The general recipe follows, but can be modified depending on your needs. These are notes from the class. (Shiunko/Purple Cloud Ointment) from recipe in July 1994 edition of NAJOM (North American Journal of Oriental Medicine) by Junji Mitzutani. Seishi Hanaoka, a famous surgeon, developed it originally in Japan in the late Edo period. Ingredients: 0.5 Liter of sesame oil (raw sesame, not the toasted used in Oriental cuisine; olive oil will work fine if you can not find sesame), 50 grams each of Dang Gui and Zi Gen/Zi Cao (NOTE: if you don't use the true Lithospermum root the mixture doesn't turn a red color. Lithospermum is commonly substituted by another herb with similar qualities by Chinese herb suppliers. Herb should be a deep purple, flaky root, rather than a light, leafy plant material.), 190 grams of beeswax, 12 grams of lard (the use of animal fat is supposed to help with absortion through the skin). Plus these optional herbs to if you want to make it resemble Spring Wind Ointment Sheng Di Huang 25g break into small pieces by hand Tao Ren 25g crush lightly, not powdered Gan Cao 15g Hong Hua 15g Huang Lian 25g Directions: 1. Add all the herbs to the sesame oil in a one quart pot (maintain at a temp of 140 degrees) and cook for 30 minutes or more. The herbs could be soaked overnight in oil to improve the extraction process. While cooking the herbs, use the time to grate the beeswax so that it will more easily dissolve in the strained solution. 2. Remove from the heat when the mixture becomes a uniform dark red color. Strain mixture through cheesecloth or jelly bag into a glass or preferably pyrex type jar to use as a double boiler. If the jar isn't pyrex make sure you don't try to rinse the jar with cold water or it will break. The reason to use the glass jar for all these preparations is to eliminate the need to clean the wax off of your pots and pans when done. Fill a large pot with water and bring it to a boil before adding the jar with the oil. 3. Mix in the bees wax and lard, heat and stir until you have a homogenous solution. (You can test the mixture for desired consistency by dipping a spoon into it and allowing it to cool, if it is not thick enough you can add more wax, experience has shown that the wax amounts in the recipe are more than adequate) 4. Allow to cool slightly then add 1 Tbsp of Vitamin E oil or 10 drops of Benzoin tincture (these act as preservative to prevent rancidity). 5. Place the empty storage containers on a sheet of paper (just in case the wax spills) and pour the mixture into the jars. Allow to cool then cap them. (If using relatively large containers, centers will sink while cooling and may need topping off.) This ointment is especially effective for burns and bleeding hemorrhoids. It is very useful for preventing moxa burns and minimizing scars. When prepared with additional optional ingredients, it can be used for chapped skin/lips, dry cuticles, dry skin and eczema. It is typically used as the base applied to the skin prior to burning moxa (it helps the moxa stick on the skin). Note: some practitioners just use a dab of water or alcohol to make the moxa stick to the skin and suggest that applying Chap Stick or ointments defeats the purpose of burning the moxa directly on the skin. Hope this is helpful, Jason Wright, MS, LAc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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