Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Hi, I'm treating a 37 year old woman who has pain with intercourse. Actually she's too tight to have intercourse, but there's no dryness (in fact, just recently she's noticed some discharge). She has not always been this way (although its been about 5 years), and says that despite the sexual abuse in her childhood she used to enjoy sex. She believes that the problem is related to an unconscious reaction to repressed memories of abuse, but is afraid to look at the problem too closely for fear of falling apart (she is a child psychologist, so is savvy psychologically). So, I am wondering how to treat this with TCM. I'm thinking maybe the Chong channel is in order---perhaps the problem is related to a cold uterus. An additional issue is that her mother died from ovarian cancer and she has been told that she has a 50% chance of getting it if she doesn't take either the pill or depo provera--she has chosen to use depo provera to avoid periods because she gets frontal/temporal/behind the eyes headaches with her periods (hopefully that will change with treatment). I suspect the hormones contribute to her stagnation. She's a lovely person who has coped amazingly well with a difficult childhood. This is understandably affecting her marriage and I'd like to help her--with acupuncture or herbs if needed. Anyone have any experience with this issue? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Dear Laura, A couple of thoughts....You conjecture that perhaps the problem might be related to a cold uterus. But does she show any signs of cold with her tongue, pulse, or palpation? But even more importantly, as Bob Flaws, so creatively implied,(or should I say yelled!) to determine the correct treatment plan, one must first determine a clear differential diagnosis. But I will add this, I would suggest that many, many cases with emotional components involve liver qi stagnation and phlegm accumulation, which, again will be pretty clear from signs and symptoms. One last idea: try to find a top CranioSacral therapist with a background in SomatoEmotional release in your area. The work is powerful, effective in releasing traumas and completely compatible with TCM. If you would like a referral, feel free to contact me privately. Good Luck and much success. Yehuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Since the change is recent and emotionally inspired does it seem sensible to associate to look at liver channel rather than chong mai? I haven't treated a ton of sexual dysfunction, but short term issues involving the genitals have seemed to involve the liver channel almost invariably. Then again, who knows what Depo is going to do to a person... Par - " heylaurag " <heylaurag Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:25 PM Pain with intercourse > > > Hi, I'm treating a 37 year old woman who has pain with intercourse. > Actually she's too tight to have intercourse, but there's no dryness > (in fact, just recently she's noticed some discharge). She has not > always been this way (although its been about 5 years), and says that > despite the sexual abuse in her childhood she used to enjoy sex. She > believes that the problem is related to an unconscious reaction to > repressed memories of abuse, but is afraid to look at the problem too > closely for fear of falling apart (she is a child psychologist, so is > savvy psychologically). > > So, I am wondering how to treat this with TCM. I'm thinking maybe > the Chong channel is in order---perhaps the problem is related to a > cold uterus. An additional issue is that her mother died from > ovarian cancer and she has been told that she has a 50% chance of > getting it if she doesn't take either the pill or depo provera--she > has chosen to use depo provera to avoid periods because she gets > frontal/temporal/behind the eyes headaches with her periods > (hopefully that will change with > treatment). I suspect the hormones contribute to her stagnation. > > She's a lovely person who has coped amazingly well with a difficult > childhood. This is understandably affecting her marriage and I'd > like to help her--with acupuncture or herbs if needed. > > Anyone have any experience with this issue? Any thoughts would be > appreciated. Thanks! > > Laura > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including > board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Thanks for the response---Actually the change isn't particularly recent--she couldn't pin down exactly how long it had been, but about 5 years. , " Par Scott " <parufus@e...> wrote: > Since the change is recent and emotionally inspired does it seem sensible to > associate to look at liver channel rather than chong mai? I haven't treated > a ton of sexual dysfunction, but short term issues involving the genitals > have seemed to involve the liver channel almost invariably. Then again, who > knows what Depo is going to do to a person... > > Par > - > " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> > > Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:25 PM > Pain with intercourse > > > > > > > > Hi, I'm treating a 37 year old woman who has pain with intercourse. > > Actually she's too tight to have intercourse, but there's no dryness > > (in fact, just recently she's noticed some discharge). She has not > > always been this way (although its been about 5 years), and says that > > despite the sexual abuse in her childhood she used to enjoy sex. She > > believes that the problem is related to an unconscious reaction to > > repressed memories of abuse, but is afraid to look at the problem too > > closely for fear of falling apart (she is a child psychologist, so is > > savvy psychologically). > > > > So, I am wondering how to treat this with TCM. I'm thinking maybe > > the Chong channel is in order---perhaps the problem is related to a > > cold uterus. An additional issue is that her mother died from > > ovarian cancer and she has been told that she has a 50% chance of > > getting it if she doesn't take either the pill or depo provera-- she > > has chosen to use depo provera to avoid periods because she gets > > frontal/temporal/behind the eyes headaches with her periods > > (hopefully that will change with > > treatment). I suspect the hormones contribute to her stagnation. > > > > She's a lovely person who has coped amazingly well with a difficult > > childhood. This is understandably affecting her marriage and I'd > > like to help her--with acupuncture or herbs if needed. > > > > Anyone have any experience with this issue? Any thoughts would be > > appreciated. Thanks! > > > > Laura > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including > > board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a > > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Hi Yehuda and all, your ideas seem quite relevant to her case, eg: she has yangming headaches with phlegm and liver involvement. She also is cold in a stagnant way, not a yang xu way. She says that her legs are so cold that she pictures blue all around the muscles (this is improving with acupuncture). I think Craniosacral work is a good idea. I hear it is quite powerful. I wonder about herbs with her. Any ideas where to start thinking about a formula anyone? I might start with Wen Jing Tang and go from there. RE: Phlegm, I have noticed that phlegm can make someone cold, and when you get things circulating they warm up (I seem to have cured my hypothyroid condition that way without meds). Laura , Yehuda L Frischman <@j...> wrote: > > Dear Laura, > > A couple of thoughts....You conjecture that perhaps the problem might be > related to a cold uterus. But does she show any signs of cold with her > tongue, pulse, or palpation? But even more importantly, as Bob Flaws, so > creatively implied,(or should I say yelled!) to determine the correct > treatment plan, one must first determine a clear differential diagnosis. > But I will add this, I would suggest that many, many cases with > emotional components involve liver qi stagnation and phlegm accumulation, > which, again will be pretty clear from signs and symptoms. One last > idea: try to find a top CranioSacral therapist with a background in > SomatoEmotional release in your area. The work is powerful, effective in > releasing traumas and completely compatible with TCM. > > If you would like a referral, feel free to contact me privately. > > Good Luck and much success. > > Yehuda > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Laura, I am unclear...is there pain or is the pain caused by the tightness? heylaurag <heylaurag wrote: Hi, I'm treating a 37 year old woman who has pain with intercourse. Actually she's too tight to have intercourse, but there's no dryness (in fact, just recently she's noticed some discharge). She has not always been this way (although its been about 5 years), and says that despite the sexual abuse in her childhood she used to enjoy sex. She believes that the problem is related to an unconscious reaction to repressed memories of abuse, but is afraid to look at the problem too closely for fear of falling apart (she is a child psychologist, so is savvy psychologically). So, I am wondering how to treat this with TCM. I'm thinking maybe the Chong channel is in order---perhaps the problem is related to a cold uterus. An additional issue is that her mother died from ovarian cancer and she has been told that she has a 50% chance of getting it if she doesn't take either the pill or depo provera--she has chosen to use depo provera to avoid periods because she gets frontal/temporal/behind the eyes headaches with her periods (hopefully that will change with treatment). I suspect the hormones contribute to her stagnation. She's a lovely person who has coped amazingly well with a difficult childhood. This is understandably affecting her marriage and I'd like to help her--with acupuncture or herbs if needed. Anyone have any experience with this issue? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! Laura Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Hi Karen & All, Re: RE: Pain with intercourse Send reply to: Chinese Medicine [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Karen wrote: > Lonny Jarrett has written extensively about these issues, > including in Nourishing Destiny and practical suggestions in his > Clinical Practice of . I believe you can also > access a three part journal article, Betrayal of Intimacy, through > his website: www.spiritpathpress.com. karen Great site, Karen! The front page [ http://www.spiritpathpress.com/ ] reads: " UPPER (class) medicines.....[NOURISH] DESTINY and correspond to HEAVEN ... If one wishes to prolong the years of life without aging, one should " use these. MIDDLE (class) medicines [NOURISH] one's NATURE and correspond to MAN. ...If one wishes to prevent illness and to supplement depletions and emaciations, one should " use these. LOWER (class) medicines....[TREAT] illness and correspond to EARTH. If one wishes to remove cold, heat and (other) evil influences (from the body), to break accumulations, and to cure illnesses, one should base (one's efforts) on (drugs listed in) the lower (class of this) manual. " Source: Shen Nong Ben Cao Can you list examples of Shennong's UPPER, MIDDLE and LOWER class medicines? Better still, can you cite a WWW reference that lists the medicines in each of those classes? http://www.spiritpathpress.com/articles.html has links to: ARTICLES AP Point Function Chinese Character List & Glossary Constitution, Theme & Thread of Life Holographic Paradigm & AP Inner Functions of AP Points Myth & Meaning In CM Nature of Cure & Healing Niu Huang Ching Xin Wan [CHM formula] The Returned Spirit (Gui Ling) of TCM Use of Exit & Entry Points in Traditional AP ABSTRACTS CM & Betrayal of Intimacy: Theory & Treatment of Abuse, Incest, Rape & Divorce with AP & Herbs Constitutional Type & Internal Tradition of CM Loss & Return of Original Nature: Law of Husband/Wife Role of Human Will (Zhi), & Spirit of BL52 Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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