pregnancy with diabetes/now tian hua fen

[Guest guest]

An interesting article by Subhuti Dharmananda concerning tian hua fen

and its potential toxicity and other issues can be found at

http://www.itmonline.org/arts/tricho.htm

 

Warren

 

In , " VALERIE HOBBS "

<valeriehobbs1@m...> wrote:

 

> Tom,

> Chen & Chen in their new materia medica state that tian hua fen is

> associated with termination of pregnancy. They site that the

proposed

> mechanism of action is that it has a direct effect on placental

villi and

> trophocytes leading to necrosis and death of cells. It further

stimulates

> the smooth muscle contraction of the uterus. Looks like the

teratogenic

> effect was my misinterpretation.

>

> They state that in China, tian hua fen injectable is used for

abortions. It

> has been used intramuscularly as well as directly injected in the

amniotic

> sac. Seems that traces if injected that way may be still present in

the

> patient up to six years later and it seems to cause higher than

average

> early delivery in subsequent pregnancies.

>

> They also go on to state that although used quite a bit for

diabetes, tian

> hua fen is shown to actually increase blood glucose levels.

>

> They theroize that while diabetes is diagnosed through blood

glucose levels,

> the symptoms of xiao ke - thirst, profuse urination, hunger are

addressed by

> the heat clearing and yin fluid building nature of tian hua fen.

>

> They also make a statement about the use in overall formulas

contrasted to

> individual effect. In sum, they state that the even though tian hua

fen does

> not lower blood glucose directly, it does address the xiao ke

symptoms.

>

> I could not tell you if the complications to pregnancy are

mitigated by

> formulaic administration, and also can't address how/why tian hua

fen is

> used in pregnancy in China, but would like to hear more.

>

> Fascinating learning more though - perhaps we'll get some other

input into

> tian hua fen use.

>

> Valerie

 

>

>

[Guest guest]

They state that in China, tian hua fen injectable is used for abortions

>>>Not tian hua fen but one of the alkaloids is used.you can not use tian hua

fen for the same function. same with so called HIV inhibition

alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

There is a book out from OHAI press on this alkaloid, called " Compound

Q " if my memory serves me well. A Hong Kong physician isolated the

alkaloid, and it was used with AIDS patients in trials and

'underground', but had too many side effects to be considered by

mainstream medicine.

 

 

On Nov 20, 2004, at 8:54 AM, Alon Marcus wrote:

 

> They state that in China, tian hua fen injectable is used for abortions

> >>>Not tian hua fen but one of the alkaloids is used.you can not use

> tian hua fen for the same function. same with so called HIV inhibition

> alon

>

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " VALERIE HOBBS "

<valeriehobbs1@m...> wrote:

 

> I could not tell you if the complications to pregnancy are

mitigated by

> formulaic administration, and also can't address how/why tian hua

fen is

> used in pregnancy in China, but would like to hear more.

>

> Fascinating learning more though - perhaps we'll get some other

input into

> tian hua fen use.

>

> Valerie

 

I took a look at my nowadays favourite books: a series by RENMIN

WEISHENG CHUBANSHI, called ZHONG YI YAO XUE GAO JI CONG SHU, in

yellow and orange- people that went to the PRC must have seen them

in the bookstores. 21 volumes, each volume no thinner than 1000

pages (meaning they would be at least double the pages in a Western

language). Anyway, I found the following:

 

- some 70 years ago tian hua fen was discovered to have an

abortifacient function. Also used for ectopic pregnancy, aborting a

dead detus. Indeed used as an injection.

 

- but it is indeed used to treat pregnancy with diabetes. However no

explanation is given. Maybe the herb itself, in low dosage, is not

potent enough to cause problems in pregnancy. If anyone has more

experience, pls let us know.