Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Hi, thanks for the response. I've been told that testing for worms is not very reliable. Do you think Great Smokies Diagnostic lab would be reliable? The area does seem cold to me. I used moxa on the area and while I was using the moxa he felt great, but later it seemed to cause some aggravations. I am still in the beginning stages of using herbs with him, so we'll see. So far I focused mainly on his depression, and the herbs have helped a lot. But the stomach situation is the same. Both the navel pain and the epigastric discomfort get worse with emotions, indicating the liver...so maybe the herbs for his depression will help in time. His stools are basically pretty normal, which is surprising. He does get heartburn sometimes. Thanks for your thoughts, Laura , cmpole@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 11/23/2004 2:59:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, > writes: > Message: 2 > Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:24:26 -0000 > " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> > navel pain....worms? > > > I wanted to see if anyone has any ideas about treating this > patient...or perhaps where to look to find out: > > I have a patient with constant tightness/pain around his navel. It > is not terribly painful, but he doesn't like any pressure on it and > has been this way for years. It doesn't come and go. He also has > pain above the navel which is different---pressure feels good there. > On p. 313 of " The Treatment of Pain with Chinese Herbs and > Acupuncture " , Sun Peilin said that pain around the navel is usually > caused by ascariasis (worms), but he does not go on to describe a way > to treat it. > > What do you think? Do you think that is the likely diagnosis, and if > so, are Chinese herbs an effective strategy to treat it? Any ideas > about how I should treat it? > > His navel has a very unusual shape to it----it looks like the kind of > navel that I heard described as being from prolapse with deficiency, > but I really don't think that's the case with him. It seems to me > that the navel area has an excess that is pulling down the qi from > the epigastric area which is therefore deficient. This theory sounds > consistent with worms to me. He is in his 30's and has always been > very athletic, but has been having a very hard time lately due to a > divorce (but the navel problem started long before that), so there is > depression. He has a deep central crack to his tongue, and at times > has a thick coating and at other times as virtually no coating. > Pulses can be wiry but often aren't as strong as I would expect. He > does think its possible that the navel pain started back when he had > pneumonia years ago....and thinks that his health has never been the > same since then. However, he is not certain of this. > > He has traveled a fair amount in his life, so its possible he could > have gotten worms in his travels. > > Thanks so much for any ideas you can share, > > Laura > Laura , > How about doing a test for worms. like through Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs > or other reputable company. Has he been tested for a hernia? Is the area hot > or cold? > Was there alot of antibiotic use when he had pneumonia? Possibly he has very > imbalanced intestinal flora, with subsequent degeneration of the digestive > function. There are so many more questions I would ask you...stools, digestion, > color of the belly, etc. > Nutricology/Allergy Research Group has some good products for worms > (vermifuges) that include artemesia plants species. Health Concerns has some and will > consult via a message taker. Organic Grapefruit seed extract liquid- by > Nutribiotic can be helpful. > > If he really does have a mixed syndrome as so many people do, you have to > watch very closely and adjust treatment from clearing to nourishing when you can. > Good luck. > Carolyn Pole > Escondido, CA > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Hi, thanks for the response. I've been told that testing for worms is not very reliable. Do you think Great Smokies Diagnostic lab would be reliable? The area does seem cold to me. I used moxa on the area and while I was using the moxa he felt great, but later it seemed to cause some aggravations. I am still in the beginning stages of using herbs with him, so we'll see. So far I focused mainly on his depression, and the herbs have helped a lot. But the stomach situation is the same. Both the navel pain and the epigastric discomfort get worse with emotions, indicating the liver...so maybe the herbs for his depression will help in time. His stools are basically pretty normal, which is surprising. He does get heartburn sometimes. Thanks for your thoughts, Laura , cmpole@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 11/23/2004 2:59:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, > writes: > Message: 2 > Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:24:26 -0000 > " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> > navel pain....worms? > > > I wanted to see if anyone has any ideas about treating this > patient...or perhaps where to look to find out: > > I have a patient with constant tightness/pain around his navel. It > is not terribly painful, but he doesn't like any pressure on it and > has been this way for years. It doesn't come and go. He also has > pain above the navel which is different---pressure feels good there. > On p. 313 of " The Treatment of Pain with Chinese Herbs and > Acupuncture " , Sun Peilin said that pain around the navel is usually > caused by ascariasis (worms), but he does not go on to describe a way > to treat it. > > What do you think? Do you think that is the likely diagnosis, and if > so, are Chinese herbs an effective strategy to treat it? Any ideas > about how I should treat it? > > His navel has a very unusual shape to it----it looks like the kind of > navel that I heard described as being from prolapse with deficiency, > but I really don't think that's the case with him. It seems to me > that the navel area has an excess that is pulling down the qi from > the epigastric area which is therefore deficient. This theory sounds > consistent with worms to me. He is in his 30's and has always been > very athletic, but has been having a very hard time lately due to a > divorce (but the navel problem started long before that), so there is > depression. He has a deep central crack to his tongue, and at times > has a thick coating and at other times as virtually no coating. > Pulses can be wiry but often aren't as strong as I would expect. He > does think its possible that the navel pain started back when he had > pneumonia years ago....and thinks that his health has never been the > same since then. However, he is not certain of this. > > He has traveled a fair amount in his life, so its possible he could > have gotten worms in his travels. > > Thanks so much for any ideas you can share, > > Laura > Laura , > How about doing a test for worms. like through Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs > or other reputable company. Has he been tested for a hernia? Is the area hot > or cold? > Was there alot of antibiotic use when he had pneumonia? Possibly he has very > imbalanced intestinal flora, with subsequent degeneration of the digestive > function. There are so many more questions I would ask you...stools, digestion, > color of the belly, etc. > Nutricology/Allergy Research Group has some good products for worms > (vermifuges) that include artemesia plants species. Health Concerns has some and will > consult via a message taker. Organic Grapefruit seed extract liquid- by > Nutribiotic can be helpful. > > If he really does have a mixed syndrome as so many people do, you have to > watch very closely and adjust treatment from clearing to nourishing when you can. > Good luck. > Carolyn Pole > Escondido, CA > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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