Yang Jue - Wrapping - Walls Off

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On Nov 26, 2004, at 7:28 PM, Steven Slater wrote:

 

>> You have symptoms of cold, but it is not due to excess (true) cold, it

>> is due to a deficiency of Yang. How is this not false cold?

>>

>> I don't have CAM with me in the office, so I'll quote from " Advanced

>> Textbook on Traditional and Pharmacology " by the

>> State

>> Administration of Traditional , New World Press:

>>

> For an short explanation of " false " cold or heat see pgs. 395-6 of this

> text.

 

Thanks. That helps.

 

For the record, looking into the Weisman dictionary this morning, the

only entry under " false " was false shen. No false heat or false cold

mentioned that I could quickly find.

 

> " False " conditions in general are extreme excess conditions which

> manifest clinically with signs opposite in nature to the actual

> condition.

 

Yes, this book does mention something that sounds like Si Ni San's Yang

Jue syndrome. " ...Cold limbs and deep pulse [with other signs of heat]

are the signs of false cold, because the excessive internal heat

hinders the Yang Qi from reaching the exterior, which is also called

'predominant yang screened by yin'... "

 

However, I've never heard the term " screened " used in this context.

Interestingly, CAM says something similar. While researching this

true/false cold/heat issue this morning, I found the following passage

from CAM: Chapter 11: Section II Pathogenesis: 1. Disharmony of Yin and

Yang

 

" ...in the course of the progression of disease, cold syndromes may

manifest some false heat symptoms, in which excess of yin walls off

yang, and heat syndromes may manifest some false cold sympotoms in

which excess of yang walls off yin. "

 

Nowhere else in this paragraph is the concept of " walls off " defined,

but it reminds me of what Doug and I heard second hand about what J.

Yuen is teaching in regards to 'wrapping'. I'll quote his entry here:

 

> His most intriguing idea is of Cold wrapping

> pathogens. Once Yang Qi can no longer feed the Cold then the pathogens

> can escape. It

> follows the idea that we all have cancers but some get out of control

> because of

> deficiency. Again before this happens, an amount of Cold is generated

> thus reflecting on

> the tongue when in fact the problem are (heat) pathogens. Or when

> there is a Cold

> accumulation then heat is generated to disperse it again reflecting on

> the tongue.

 

When I reread what Doug wrote above, I'm perplexed. Perhaps we should

just track down some authorized discussion group to get this from the

horse's mouth.

 

--

 

 

Karma isn't what happens, its how we react to what happens.

-Sunflower

[Guest guest]

On 28/11/2004, at 5:16 AM, Al Stone wrote:

 

>

> On Nov 26, 2004, at 7:28 PM, Steven Slater wrote:

>

>>> You have symptoms of cold, but it is not due to excess (true) cold,

>>> it

>>> is due to a deficiency of Yang. How is this not false cold?

>>>

>>> I don't have CAM with me in the office, so I'll quote from " Advanced

>>> Textbook on Traditional and Pharmacology " by the

>>> State

>>> Administration of Traditional , New World Press:

>>>

>> For an short explanation of " false " cold or heat see pgs. 395-6 of

>> this

>> text.

>

> Thanks. That helps.

>

> For the record, looking into the Weisman dictionary this morning, the

> only entry under " false " was false shen. No false heat or false cold

> mentioned that I could quickly find.

>

Yes, it is not in there. However false heat is mentioned under

" floating heat (effusion) " where it says that this floating heat is a

false heat sign observed in exuberant yin repelling yang.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Steve