Guest guest Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 Just doing a quick Google search for 'false heat' demonstrates such a point clearly: " Heat may show up in a variety of ways depending on the underlying condition. From a nutritional perspective it is most important to understand whether it is a " full-heat " syndrome or a " false-heat " syndrome. " Full-heat " is a pure excess condition which can be helped by consuming cool foods. " False-heat " , however, indicates heat from an underlying deficiency which could be worsened by an excessive consumption of cool foods. " " Schisandra is also named Wu Wei Tza which means 'five flavours herb' and is associated with the five elemental energies in Traditional (TCM). This very special Chinese herb helps increase the functions of the kidneys, provide abundant energy to the kidneys, helps rejuvenate the kidney energy especially the sexual energy, relieves sexual fatigue and is quite famous for increasing the sexual staying power in men and women. Thus Schisandra acts as a powerful sexual tonic. It is also used to drive out mucous and 'false' heat from the body, protect the lungs and help build up the defense energy which flows in the skin. It is mildly sedative and calming in nature and is said to have pain-alleviating properties. " Again I am not saying I agree with these usages, but these offbeat usages are taught (some places) and 'false' is used as vacuity by (some) westerners and (some) Chinese. But I agree I have never seen a Chinese book use 'jia re' as vacuity heat, but I would not put it past someone to find a usage somewhere, China is a big place... - > > [] > Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:00 AM > > RE: pattern diagnosis > > > > > > > > Steven Slater [laozhongyi] > > Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:23 AM > > > > Re: pattern diagnosis > > > > > > It is not only Wiseman, false heat or cold is in every Chinese text I > > consulted as a different pattern to vacuity/deficient/empty heat or > > cold patterns. > [Jason] > But I think you are missing the point... I have been in schools where the > term 'false heat' is taught as a vacuity heat. Right or wrong, book or > not, > it exists... that is the point! But I agree, 'false & vacuity' are > separate > terms and I DO believe that one should differentiate them. (So I take back > my below statement, I think there is a right or wrong from a Chinese > perspective, but if a student was taught a certain term, one can only > blame > terminology / teacher, but there concept of the term should be intact, > albeit confusing to all of us) > > Steven, I assume you see a standard definition that the Chinese all use > for > false heat, could you present it again... > > - > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including > board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 On 29/11/2004, at 4:11 AM, wrote: > > Just doing a quick Google search for 'false heat' demonstrates such a > point > clearly: > > " Heat may show up in a variety of ways depending on the underlying > condition. From a nutritional perspective it is most important to > understand > whether it is a " full-heat " syndrome or a " false-heat " syndrome. > " Full-heat " > is a pure excess condition which can be helped by consuming cool foods. > " False-heat " , however, indicates heat from an underlying deficiency > which > could be worsened by an excessive consumption of cool foods. " > This is an interesting example but I am not sure what it is an example of. To me, " false heat " as termed here is NOT used in terms of deficiency heat. To me, deficiency heat is due to a deficiency of yin and relative excess of yang (heat) and IS helped by consuming cool foods. Both full heat and deficiency heat can be helped by eating cool foods. False heat will be worsened because it is actually a COLD condition. So, I don't think the use of " false heat " in your example supports that deficiency heat and false heat are used in the same way here. From this quote there does not seem to be a obvious reference to xu re at all. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 " False-heat " , however, indicates heat from an underlying deficiency which could be worsened by an excessive consumption of cool foods. " >>>>>This is not a good example because it is partly true, even though not comprehensive. What I am arguing is that in China some practitioners clearly use false heat for both excess and deficient conditions. Consumption of cold foods/herbs is contraindicated for uprooted of yang qi/ or mingmen with so called false heat symptoms/signs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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