SV: Equine sarcoid: Acupuncture, Thuja or Sarcoid Nosode?

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Hi,

I must just say that with the cancer-method described at my homepage, equine

sarcoids seem very easy to treat and heal.

 

Are

 

Are Simeon Thoresen

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Fra: jmk6142000 [joy-keller]

Sendt: 4. desember 2004 02:27

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Emne: Re: Equine sarcoid: Acupuncture, Thuja or Sarcoid Nosode?

 

 

 

 

 

Jutta (??? – not sure of the name of the original poster)

 

I have had to deal w/ equine sarcoids -- they are not an easy

condition to treat. Let me state up front that I am not a

veterinarian. I am sharing information based on my personal

experience that includes working very closely with my team of

veterinarians -- my primary allopathic vet, a TCM vet, a homeopathic

vet and a chiropractic vet (all are DVMs).

 

First, you may want to consider (with your vet) the pros/cons of

submitting a tissue sample for a biopsy/histopath. Especially if

you've tried treatments for sarcoids that aren't working as expected.

One of the major cons is that the irritation caused by collecting the

tissue may trigger the growth to increase in size. However, if you

are considering another surgical removal of the growth, that would be

an ideal time.

 

In one case, the first histopath report that came back to us stated

that the growth was nothing more than proud flesh. My vet thought

this was complete hogwash and contacted a colleague of hers in

Oklahoma, Dr. Rezabek DVM (a specialist in this area), for a second

opinion.

 

In this case, we had assumed the growth was a sarcoid, but Dr.

Rezabek's histopath report indicated it was actually a soft tissue

sarcoma (that didn't present in the usual manner, hence the initial

misdiagnosis). This distinction became important in the way we

eventually resolved the situation.

 

With regards to homeopathy – we did not find homeopathic Thuja to be

effective in this case. After appropriate timing, we also tried other

appropriate remedies to no noticeable affect.

 

With regards to acupuncture – I would recommend NOT to do local

acupuncture (either in the growth itself or in the classic " surround

the dragon " manner) because any irritation of the growth often

triggers an increase in growth. (This may seem like an obvious point

to make, however not all DVMs who do acupuncture are thoroughly

versed in CM theory.) This goes for any bumps or scrapes to the

growth as a result of horse-play or training. In my horse w/ the soft

tissue sarcoma (which was located just above the coronet band) as the

growth got very large (about 1.5x the size of a golf ball) it was

especially prone to being knocked on cavelletti poles and the like

resulting in bleeding and irritation and more growth. Yu Nan Bai Yao

was effective in stopping the bleeding, although my horse found it to

be slightly irritating and wasn't entirely happy about the

application – so use with caution on horses that tend to strike out.

 

With regards to Chinese herbs – we did not find this to be effective

(and we gave it a good year+). Despite our efforts to transform

phlegm, soften hardness, dissipate nodules etc., there was no

improvement in the condition. As we know, phlegm nodules are

difficult to treat – this outward/exterior manifestation of stubborn

substantial phlegm was very resistant to treatment.

 

With regards to topical Chinese herbal treatment – During one vet

visit, we decided to try a topical application of phlegm resolving

herbs (mu li, xia ku cao, xuan Shen, bai jie zi, etc) and within 10

minutes of the application, my horse experienced a (singular) episode

of severe, acute ataxia and disorientation to the point that we

thought she was going to fall down. As soon as she safely could, my

vet began to needle points to extinguish wind and in about 7 minutes,

the episode was over. Unfortunately, my horse ended up effusing the

tendon sheath in her left front lower limb as a result of her

stumbling and scrambling to maintain balance. I am glad it happened

in the presence of my vet as I had immediate support available.

 

I'm not trying to say that the external herb application caused the

ataxia, just reporting the facts as they happened. The ataxia could

have been a completely unrelated (to the topical herbs) occurrence as

my horse had, 1 week prior, gotten cast in her stall in which she

thrashed about quite a bit before we got her free. My chiropractic

vet, who came the day after the ataxic episode, theorized that the

subluxations she felt in the cervical spine were enough to explain

the ataxia (I should state here that she treated my horses regularly

and so was very familiar with how they usually felt). I am still to

this day puzzled by the timing of it all. After my horse recovered, I

had her thoroughly checked out and in every way, including

neurologically, my horse checked out fine.

 

My allopathic vet suggested the topical application of a product

called " Xxterra " (developed by Dr. Larson, DVM at CSU) which also

contains the herb bloodroot (as was the product that Phil referred

to). This product is also sometimes referred to as Indian Mud,

however I can only speak to the preparation labeled as Xxterra. It

worked for the sarcoid, however was not initially effective for the

soft tissue sarcoma.

 

In the end, what worked for the soft tissue sarcoma was a combination

surgical excision and topical application. First, my vet surgically

removed as much of the sarcoma as was safe. The growth had a huge

blood supply, so I had a large amount of Yu Nan Bai Yao ready to pack

onto the wound over which my vet placed a pressure bandage. The next

day, I changed the bandage and began applying the Xxterra over the

next few weeks. Because of the close proximity of the sarcoma to the

coronet band, my vet could not fully excise the growth. The Xxterra

seemed able to get at the remaining growth without risk of injury to

the coronet band. However, it was trial/error before we actually got

results with this product – we found certain application methods to

be more effective than others. I can attest to the claim that this

product does not harm normal skin in any way – which is in part why

we had poor results initially with the soft tissue sarcoma. If

someone wants more specifics, feel free to email me directly. I also

documented the entire process w/ digital photos.

 

If the Xxterra had not been effective, our next course of action

would have been to use locally injected chemotherapy.

 

Xxterra is only available to DVMs, so you would have to get it from

your vet. Below is a URL to this product as a result of a google

search (this is not an endorsement of the website itself, just simply

a link to information): http://www.vetlineequine.com/xxterra.asp

 

We have not had a recurrence of any of the growths that we treated

with Xxterra. Again, this is just my personal experience and is not

meant to act as veterinary advice one way or the other. Continue your

research & consultations with your vets and work together to find a

solution for your specific circumstances.

 

The Cansema product referred to by Phil seems like a similar product

to Xxterra with a few more herbs thrown in. However, I take personal

issue with using animal-derived products (e.g., the emu oil) with

herbivores. I know it's commonly done with nary a second thought, but

it just seems wrong and unnatural in my opinion.

 

Joy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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