doctoral folly--education standards

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Hi Jill, you wrote:

 

and for the most part was

> suprised at the low expectations put on students. I kept expecting

> it to get more difficult. It sounds as if many on this list had a

> common experience. I would like to see the schools at least try to

> use common sense when admitting students. These people will be

> responsible for someone's health and safety!

 

I had the same feeling, but I also felt that way during my masters

degree from Boston University. From what I understand, people often

feel that way in graduate school. Most if not all graduates schools

are full of crappy teachers (who are good at their professions but

not at teaching) and surprisingly low expectations. From what I've

seen and heard, the truth is that many students from all fields

graduate with inadequate knowledge about their field. Then they go

on and either learn it on the job or not. I once read that studies

have shown that 70% of professionals are barely adequate at what they

do. I have worked with many types of professionals---doctors,

nurses, PT's, psychiatrists, psychologists, etc. Believe me, that

study is valid.

 

So let's stop being so hard on ourselves. We are by and large just

as mediocre as a whole as everyone else!

 

But it sure would be nice to have residencies available.

 

Laura

 

 

 

 

, " Jill A. Likkel "

<jilllikkel@h...> wrote:

>

> , " heylaurag "

> <heylaurag@h...> wrote:

> Also, I think that its inevitable that MD's would have students who

> > were more on top of things. The harder it is to get into a

school

> the

> > more cream of the crop you will find. We'll get there in time.

> >

>

> Hummm...

> I had a very good friend who graduated from Stanford U in the late

> 40's with a medical degree. He went on to be a great doctor whom

> many respected and admired. He told me that he was a 'C' student

and

> he was concerned about the medical school mills pumping out

students

> and basing entrance criteria solely on grades.

>

> On the other hand I did find it extremely easy to get into

> acupuncture school( " Do you have money or can get money and meet the

> minimum requirements? Fine, you are in " ) and for the most part was

> suprised at the low expectations put on students. I kept expecting

> it to get more difficult. It sounds as if many on this list had a

> common experience. I would like to see the schools at least try to

> use common sense when admitting students. These people will be

> responsible for someone's health and safety!

> I don't plan to apply for the doctorate course. The only reason the

> doctorate would be worthwhile for me is if it presents a challenge

> and I gain experience that I couldn't get on my own.

> Meanwhile, I take plenty of CE classes. I finally figured out that

> for me the ones worth taking are mostly herbal classes.

> Jill Likkel

[Guest guest]

, " heylaurag "

<heylaurag@h...> wrote:

> I once read that studies

> have shown that 70% of professionals are barely adequate at what

they

> do. > So let's stop being so hard on ourselves. We are by and

large just

> as mediocre as a whole as everyone else!

>

> But it sure would be nice to have residencies available.

>

> Laura

 

Laura,

Great Post!

The difference would be that we(those on this list of course) are

striving for other than mediocrity, whether we make it or not only

time will tell.

Seriously, residencies could be a way to filter the wheat from the

chaff. I didn't make enough money to support myself for my first

couple of years of practice anyway. How about a residency in poor

and underserved populations? i know that PA's and ARNP's get at

least some of their student loans paid off if they do this.

Jill

[Guest guest]

Federal loan forgiveness is being pursued by the profession. I know that DC

can participate. I am not sure why they can and we cannot unless it has to

do with either scope of practice or designation. Later

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

> " Jill A. Likkel " <jilllikkel

>

>

> Re: doctoral folly--education standards

>Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:25:27 -0000

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>

> , " heylaurag "

><heylaurag@h...> wrote:

> > I once read that studies

> > have shown that 70% of professionals are barely adequate at what

>they

> > do. > So let's stop being so hard on ourselves. We are by and

>large just

> > as mediocre as a whole as everyone else!

> >

> > But it sure would be nice to have residencies available.

> >

> > Laura

>

>Laura,

>Great Post!

>The difference would be that we(those on this list of course) are

>striving for other than mediocrity, whether we make it or not only

>time will tell.

>Seriously, residencies could be a way to filter the wheat from the

>chaff. I didn't make enough money to support myself for my first

>couple of years of practice anyway. How about a residency in poor

>and underserved populations? i know that PA's and ARNP's get at

>least some of their student loans paid off if they do this.

>Jill

>

>

>