Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Hi All, & Al, Al Stone wrote: > Phil, You're in ...a great position to validate TCM without needing > a placebo group. This is really great information because > presumably your animal clientele is not involved with any > expectation of relief and so there is no placebo involved. I am > curious however if you believe that the animals you treat are > sensitive to the intent of the vet. In other words, do they like > to have you putting needles into them because you're a comfort or > do they pretty much just put up with it because you and all the > other two-legged animals seem to think that this pricking thing is > important. Al, I cannot answer your question about possible animal expectations, or whether they sense the healer's intent. I believe that animals are far more intelligent and intuitive than most people think. I also believe (and there are many stories that seem to confirm) that animals can be telepathic. However, many vet colleagues may disagree with that also. Al has raised the query about PLACEBO. What does this really mean? IMO, this is a crucial question that has far-reaching implications for the design of valid experiments in several holistic / integrative modalities. More importantly, it is a crucial question that EVERY PRACTITIONER, whether working with people and animals should explore in depth. " Placebo " (from the Latin verb " placo, placere (or placare), placavi, placatum... " means I will (want to) please (placate, appease, ease, pleasure, satisfy, reassure). The Middle English word " please " comes from the Old French word " plaisir " , as in the pleasures of love ... http://dict.die.net/placebo/ and http://www.wordreference.com/definition/placebo http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=placebo say: (Placebo: noun): an innocuous or inert medication; given as a pacifier or to the control group in experiments on the efficacy of a drug; A prescription intended to humor or satisfy; A substance containing no medication and prescribed or given to reinforce a patient's expectation to get well; An inactive substance or preparation used as a control in an experiment or test to determine the effectiveness of a medicinal drug; Something of no intrinsic remedial value that is used to appease or reassure another. I, and many others, believe that the current, impersonal and superficial " medical definition " of placebo (as above), has lost its most essential meaning, a meaning of the utmost importance to all true healers. Why do I say that? Because placebo has other meanings that are directly related to the WILL or DESIRE to PLEASE / HELP. One is (in Roman Catholic ritual): The first word of the first antiphon of the service (vespers) for the dead. This concept of " placebo " goes to its essence, a crucial concept that rarely is discussed amongst professionals. It infers INVOCATION, calling on G-d, or other " Supernatural beings " to listen and act as per the INTENT / wish / prayer expressed in the invocation. We will see the crucial relevance of INVOCATION in the placebo response later. IMO, from the dawn of civilisation, true healers KNEW instinctively, and by experience of failures, that their personal knowledge was inadequate to solve all the " medical problems " that they confronted. The desire / instinct to help the injured / weak is not just a human phenomenon. There are examples amongst animals, especially in mother-offspring relationships. Animals try to protect their young; some attempt to help injured members of the group. Elephants have been seen trying to assist a recumbent herd-mate to regain its feet, etc. And elephants (and dogs) can die of grief when a beloved comrade or owner dies. See http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Oaks/3538/elephants.html Dolphins have saved drowning people, and protected people from shark-attack, etc. http://tinyurl.com/5jpjq IMO, these are examples of the instinct / intention to help / please / heal (placebo) from the animal kingdom. However, on its own, focused INTENTION / desire to heal (Yi) is not enough to induce maximal placebo effect in therapy, even if it contains the genuine, mystical desire to be part of G-d's Mercy and Compassion for the sick and injured. Two additional ingredients are needed: (a) CONFIDENCE (by the healer, and, if possible by the subject) in the method being used, and (b) the SUBJECT'S instinctive awareness that the healer is doing his/her best AND has confidence in the OUTCOME. Lack of confidence by the healer in the clinical outcome transmits easily (if only by body-language) to the subject. Unconscious frowns, slight shakes of the head, not making eye-contact when asked will it be OK, etc, signal " bad vibes " to the [human] subject. IMO, the best results are hard to attain in subjects that have " given up " mentally. Sadly, many members of our white-coated, stethoscope-draped, hassled and over-worked medical colleagues seem to have forgotten that essential meaning of placebo. Saying to a cancer patient: " We'll cut out the tumour / organ, put you on local radiotherapy and follow up with several rounds of chemotherapy " already says to the subject: " We know / suspect that your cancer is already metastatic. Get your affairs in order soon! " What effect does does that have on a worried or nervous Mrs. Murphy, or Mr. Smith? IMO, going through the motions of prescribing a drug (or other remedy, or an unmedicted lactose tablet, or a " dummy needle " ), in which the THERAPIST has no belief / confidence, is NOT a full placebo, whether it be done for research or other reasons. In most cultures, medicine originally was the preserve of the Healer- Priest, Shaman, Witch-Doctor and Wise One. In Biblical times, prayer was an integral part of healing. Christ, and other great religious leaders, were said to be healers, even to the extent of raising the dead. In the early Christan church, healing was part of priesthood: " Go, heal the sick " . But we live in changed times. We are better educated (?) and more technically-oriented. Instead of being a G-d-inspired calling (vocation) to ease the suffering of humanity, medicine is becoming a very expensive high-tech business, far removed from its original roots in priesthood and mysticism - wanting to be G-d's Hands to ease suffering in this world. Whether we treat humans or animals, while trying to heal, some of us have an occasional mind-blowing mystical sense of wonder and absoluts conviction of the Unity of Everything. I have had 2-3 of those stunning moments in circa 40 years of working as a health professional. Although I cannot describe them adequately to you, or the profound impact that they had on my " world-view " , I wish that that state of mind could be a normal, everyday part of my life. BUt it is not; it is a rare experience, a tantalising glimpse into the world of the Divine. In that sense of wonder and worship of the Divine, when one focuses on, or CONSCIOUSLY INVOKES the full idea of " placebo " [i WILL please (help, assist, heal) in the Name of G-d, AND with G- d's help], and especially if one can transmit the sense of G-d's unconditional love to the subject, incredible outcomes are possible. In that situation, I/you heal nothing but merely transmit healing from G-d, the Great Healer. Al, and colleagues, please do not get me wrong. I am not having a " nervous breakdown " , nor am I claiming anything extraordinary for myself. I am nothing but a spirit housed in an ageing body. I am really no different from any of you; we are fallible beings with limited knowledge and many failings. Few if any of us will attain sainthood / Buddhahood in this life. We must get on with our daily work / play / family business, etc, keep the Bank Manager off our backs, guide the kids, be neighbourly, etc. We do our best with the resources at our disposal. Many on this List may not believe in spirit, G-d, or other " irrational, superstitious and esoteric " concepts. Some of you hold fast to the fallacy that science will explain everything in time, and that AP & TCM should be trying to copy and apply the principles of EBM. I used to think that way, but no more. IMO, at best, science may explain physical (and maybe pschological) mechanisms and interactions, and predict outcomes to specific inputs. But, IMO, science will not, and cannot, put meaning on life, console the longing of many people for basic human rights and dignity, justice, happiness etc. The latter areas are best handled by philosophy, theology, parapsychology, the arts, etc. IMO, we are too late to try to play catch-up with EBM, especially by THEIR rules. We have not unlimited billions of dollars at our disposal to set up extensive research trials on thousands of different projects, and the multinationals and hospital industries are unlikely to provide funding for such projects. Yes, I would like to see far more high-quality research done on TCM, but integrative medicine must develop ITS OWN standards of critical appraisal that take its unique interactions of spirit-mind- soma, its unique interplay between healer and subject, and its unique attempt to prescribe for the INDIVIDUAL (not a standardised " one formula for all subjects-in-the-group " ) into account. [There is a place for " standardised formulas " in some areas of research (such as artemisinin in malaria, PC06 in vomiting; BL67 in breech presentation, etc). However, in complex cases, AP points (or herbal/homeopathic formulas) need to be chosen for each individual, and these selections may need to be changed at subsequent visits from the same individuals. IMO, we need a much more comprehensive examination of the definition of PLACEBO, and its applications in research and clinical practice. Sorry for the long post, but you can all blame Al for triggering these thoughts! Thanks, Al! For further insights into Yi (INTENTION), see: " MEDICINE IS SIGNIFICATION " - MOVING TOWARDS HEALING POWER IN THE CHINESE MEDICAL TRADITION by Volker Scheid Ph.D. and Dan Bensky D.O., reprinted by permission of the European Journal of Oriental Medicine: http://www.siom.com/resources/texts/articles/v-scheid/yizhe.html If you have not read that article, you are in for a surprise, because it stresses the importance of the therapist's Yi/Intention in all therapy. See also http://vetlab.co.uk/voodoo/thoresen.html It is an insulting comment by Voodoo Society [a group similar to Quackbusters] on Are Thoresen's ideas. That Society is to be thanked for putting Are's ideas on WWW, because many more people will read them and interpret their importance differently to what the Voodoo Society might like! Are's main message in that article is: " As veterinarians, when we treat animals, we must pay much more attention to our own Yí, and to the psyche of our patients. " See also: http://www.chinese-medicine.co.uk/articles/philos.htm I'm off to the bunker now, for I can sense incoming missiles triggered by some of you by the suggestion that Spirit, prayer, or the paranormal has any practical role in modern medicine, including modern AP and herbalism! Great Qi and Yi to you all, Phil PS: Some vets disagree with my relegation of stimulators to a dusty shelf. Some routinely use electro-AP; lasers, ultrasound, Dermojet, point-injection, homeo-AP, etc. That is to be expected because each practitioner (like Old Blue Eyes) is an individual, and would like to think: " I did it MY way ... " . And some of them use high-tech stimulators because their CLIENTS expect that, or are impressed by the price-tag on the gizmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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