Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Hi Eric & All, Eric wrote: > I have a hard time imagining that the potential of interactions > between coffee and ginseng hasn't been extensively studied. But I am > still clueless as to a good source for the answers. Eric Medline has 28 hits for the profile: (ginsen* OR renshen) AND (coffee OR theobrom* OR theophy* OR dihydrocaffeic OR caffein*) See: http://tinyurl.com/4m5q8 Eric, please keep us posted when you summarise these and other data on the possible interactions. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Phil, Thanks for providing the link to investigate. Unfortunately, most of the hits were the same ones that I looked over previously. After checking out the 28 hits, only one described a study where ginseng was combined with a caffeine source. It was a study of ginseng and guarana, but the study stated that the dose of caffeine was only 9 mg, which they acknowledged is too low to have the caffeine as a contributing agent. There weren't adverse effects noted. Interestingly, one study demonstrated favorable cognitive effects from the combination of ginseng extract and a particular nootropic drug. I haven't undertaken a major research summary by any means on this issue. My investigation of the topic is only a few days old, and hardly a serious and detailed investigation. I was simply surprised to read that ginseng was cautioned against coffee, and I wanted to see if anyone knew why that would be. I was primarily trying to figure out whether my dad should not be having his ginseng since he puts back 5 espressos a day. Hypertension is no issue in this case, and the use of true ginseng alone would be inadvisable for hypertension even without talking about coffee. I haven't yet found anything to suggest that there is a real risk, but I would like to know one way or the other. I am beginning to think that it is a red herring or a statement based on someone's personal experience, because we seem to have a hard time finding confirming data. If it was a serious issue, you'd think we'd be hearing about it more frequently. Millions of people must use the two herbs together all the time, especially in South Korea. Furthermore, I wouldn't expect major beer companies to be combining caffeine and ginseng if it posed a risk of liability. Phil, thanks for pointing to some new places to look. If you find anything else on it, please let us know. Eric , " " <@e...> wrote: > Hi Eric & All, > > Eric wrote: > > I have a hard time imagining that the potential of interactions > > between coffee and ginseng hasn't been extensively studied. But I am > > still clueless as to a good source for the answers. Eric > > Medline has 28 hits for the profile: > (ginsen* OR renshen) AND (coffee OR theobrom* OR theophy* OR > dihydrocaffeic OR caffein*) > > See: http://tinyurl.com/4m5q8 > > Eric, please keep us posted when you summarise these and other data > on the possible interactions. > > Best regards, > > Email: <@e...> > > WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt > man doing it " , " Phil Rogers " <@e...> wrote: > Hi Eric & All, > > Eric wrote: > > I have a hard time imagining that the potential of interactions > > between coffee and ginseng hasn't been extensively studied. But I am > > still clueless as to a good source for the answers. Eric > > Medline has 28 hits for the profile: > (ginsen* OR renshen) AND (coffee OR theobrom* OR theophy* OR > dihydrocaffeic OR caffein*) > > See: http://tinyurl.com/4m5q8 > > Eric, please keep us posted when you summarise these and other data > on the possible interactions. > > Best regards, > > Email: <@e...> > > WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt > man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Hi Eric----you said: " Furthermore, I wouldn't expect major beer companies to be combining caffeine and ginseng if it posed a risk of liability. " Oh, yeah, major corporations ALWAYS have our best interests in mind....they never ever sell things to us that are unhealthy. Sorry, not trying to make fun of you...but when someone in the alternatve health community still believes something like that I feel compelled to say something! Laura , " smilinglotus " <smilinglotus> wrote: > > Phil, > > Thanks for providing the link to investigate. Unfortunately, most > of the hits were the same ones that I looked over previously. After > checking out the 28 hits, only one described a study where ginseng > was combined with a caffeine source. It was a study of ginseng and > guarana, but the study stated that the dose of caffeine was only 9 > mg, which they acknowledged is too low to have the caffeine as a > contributing agent. There weren't adverse effects noted. > Interestingly, one study demonstrated favorable cognitive effects > from the combination of ginseng extract and a particular nootropic > drug. > > I haven't undertaken a major research summary by any means on this > issue. My investigation of the topic is only a few days old, and > hardly a serious and detailed investigation. I was simply surprised > to read that ginseng was cautioned against coffee, and I wanted to > see if anyone knew why that would be. I was primarily trying to > figure out whether my dad should not be having his ginseng since he > puts back 5 espressos a day. Hypertension is no issue in this case, > and the use of true ginseng alone would be inadvisable for > hypertension even without talking about coffee. > > I haven't yet found anything to suggest that there is a real risk, > but I would like to know one way or the other. I am beginning to > think that it is a red herring or a statement based on someone's > personal experience, because we seem to have a hard time finding > confirming data. If it was a serious issue, you'd think we'd be > hearing about it more frequently. Millions of people must use the > two herbs together all the time, especially in South Korea. > Furthermore, I wouldn't expect major beer companies to be combining > caffeine and ginseng if it posed a risk of liability. > > Phil, thanks for pointing to some new places to look. If you find > anything else on it, please let us know. > > Eric > > , " " > <@e...> wrote: > > Hi Eric & All, > > > > Eric wrote: > > > I have a hard time imagining that the potential of interactions > > > between coffee and ginseng hasn't been extensively studied. But > I am > > > still clueless as to a good source for the answers. Eric > > > > Medline has 28 hits for the profile: > > (ginsen* OR renshen) AND (coffee OR theobrom* OR theophy* OR > > dihydrocaffeic OR caffein*) > > > > See: http://tinyurl.com/4m5q8 > > > > Eric, please keep us posted when you summarise these and other > data > > on the possible interactions. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Email: <@e...> > > > > WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > > > Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not > interrupt > > man doing it " , " Phil > Rogers " <@e...> wrote: > > Hi Eric & All, > > > > Eric wrote: > > > I have a hard time imagining that the potential of interactions > > > between coffee and ginseng hasn't been extensively studied. But > I am > > > still clueless as to a good source for the answers. Eric > > > > Medline has 28 hits for the profile: > > (ginsen* OR renshen) AND (coffee OR theobrom* OR theophy* OR > > dihydrocaffeic OR caffein*) > > > > See: http://tinyurl.com/4m5q8 > > > > Eric, please keep us posted when you summarise these and other > data > > on the possible interactions. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Email: <@e...> > > > > WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > > > Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not > interrupt > > man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 I'm sure the ginseng doses are too minute to do anything in the beers anyway. Eric , " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> wrote: > > Hi Eric----you said: > > " Furthermore, I wouldn't expect major beer companies to be combining > caffeine and ginseng if it posed a risk of liability. " > > Oh, yeah, major corporations ALWAYS have our best interests in > mind....they never ever sell things to us that are unhealthy. > > Sorry, not trying to make fun of you...but when someone in the > alternatve health community still believes something like that I feel > compelled to say something! > > Laura > > > > , " smilinglotus " > <smilinglotus> wrote: > > > > Phil, > > > > Thanks for providing the link to investigate. Unfortunately, most > > of the hits were the same ones that I looked over previously. > After > > checking out the 28 hits, only one described a study where ginseng > > was combined with a caffeine source. It was a study of ginseng and > > guarana, but the study stated that the dose of caffeine was only 9 > > mg, which they acknowledged is too low to have the caffeine as a > > contributing agent. There weren't adverse effects noted. > > Interestingly, one study demonstrated favorable cognitive effects > > from the combination of ginseng extract and a particular nootropic > > drug. > > > > I haven't undertaken a major research summary by any means on this > > issue. My investigation of the topic is only a few days old, and > > hardly a serious and detailed investigation. I was simply > surprised > > to read that ginseng was cautioned against coffee, and I wanted to > > see if anyone knew why that would be. I was primarily trying to > > figure out whether my dad should not be having his ginseng since he > > puts back 5 espressos a day. Hypertension is no issue in this > case, > > and the use of true ginseng alone would be inadvisable for > > hypertension even without talking about coffee. > > > > I haven't yet found anything to suggest that there is a real risk, > > but I would like to know one way or the other. I am beginning to > > think that it is a red herring or a statement based on someone's > > personal experience, because we seem to have a hard time finding > > confirming data. If it was a serious issue, you'd think we'd be > > hearing about it more frequently. Millions of people must use the > > two herbs together all the time, especially in South Korea. > > Furthermore, I wouldn't expect major beer companies to be combining > > caffeine and ginseng if it posed a risk of liability. > > > > Phil, thanks for pointing to some new places to look. If you find > > anything else on it, please let us know. > > > > Eric > > > > , " " > > <@e...> wrote: > > > Hi Eric & All, > > > > > > Eric wrote: > > > > I have a hard time imagining that the potential of interactions > > > > between coffee and ginseng hasn't been extensively studied. > But > > I am > > > > still clueless as to a good source for the answers. Eric > > > > > > Medline has 28 hits for the profile: > > > (ginsen* OR renshen) AND (coffee OR theobrom* OR theophy* OR > > > dihydrocaffeic OR caffein*) > > > > > > See: http://tinyurl.com/4m5q8 > > > > > > Eric, please keep us posted when you summarise these and other > > data > > > on the possible interactions. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Email: <@e...> > > > > > > WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > > > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > > > > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > > > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > > > > > Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not > > interrupt > > > man doing it " , " Phil > > Rogers " <@e...> wrote: > > > Hi Eric & All, > > > > > > Eric wrote: > > > > I have a hard time imagining that the potential of interactions > > > > between coffee and ginseng hasn't been extensively studied. > But > > I am > > > > still clueless as to a good source for the answers. Eric > > > > > > Medline has 28 hits for the profile: > > > (ginsen* OR renshen) AND (coffee OR theobrom* OR theophy* OR > > > dihydrocaffeic OR caffein*) > > > > > > See: http://tinyurl.com/4m5q8 > > > > > > Eric, please keep us posted when you summarise these and other > > data > > > on the possible interactions. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Email: <@e...> > > > > > > WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > > > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > > > > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > > > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > > > > > > Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not > > interrupt > > > man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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