Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 A little while ago, I was trying to investigate whether there is a substantial risk with the combination of ginseng and coffee. The caution in the new Bensky MM was the first mention I had heard of it, and it seems like such a common risk of interaction that it deserves investigation. I got a response back from John Chen about ginseng and coffee. Dr. Chen's book is the most comprehensive basic text we have on the pharmacology and interactions of tcm meds. He said that he had never read about any interactions between the two and wouldn't be concerned if the two were used together in moderate doses. He mentioned that caution could be warranted if both were used in very high doses, particularly if used as purified extracts at high doses (such as isolated caffeine pills), or in patients with pre-existing conditions such as hypertension. From what info I have available, it sounds like there is little reason to think that moderate, intelligent use of these two substances together poses any reason for concern in normal individuals. I am awaiting a reply from Eastland and will share whatever other info comes out to clarify the caution. As always, if anyone has a good source for more info on this subject, it is appreciated. Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Apropos of nothing, I just saw an advertisement for Budweiser with added caffeine, guarana and ginseng, this strikes me as dumber than the shampoo with ginseng. Par - " smilinglotus " <smilinglotus Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:03 PM ginseng and coffee > > > A little while ago, I was trying to investigate whether there is a > substantial risk with the combination of ginseng and coffee. The > caution in the new Bensky MM was the first mention I had heard of > it, and it seems like such a common risk of interaction that it > deserves investigation. > > I got a response back from John Chen about ginseng and coffee. Dr. > Chen's book is the most comprehensive basic text we have on the > pharmacology and interactions of tcm meds. He said that he had > never read about any interactions between the two and wouldn't be > concerned if the two were used together in moderate doses. He > mentioned that caution could be warranted if both were used in very > high doses, particularly if used as purified extracts at high doses > (such as isolated caffeine pills), or in patients with pre-existing > conditions such as hypertension. > > From what info I have available, it sounds like there is little > reason to think that moderate, intelligent use of these two > substances together poses any reason for concern in normal > individuals. I am awaiting a reply from Eastland and will share > whatever other info comes out to clarify the caution. As always, if > anyone has a good source for more info on this subject, it is > appreciated. > > Eric Brand Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including > board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I guess you wouldn't like my idea for " dishwasher soap with ginseng for enhanced cleaning power " . ;-) doug , " Par Scott " <parufus@e...> wrote: > Apropos of nothing, I just saw an advertisement for Budweiser with added > caffeine, guarana and ginseng, this strikes me as dumber than the shampoo > with ginseng. > > Par > - > " smilinglotus " <smilinglotus> > > Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:03 PM > ginseng and coffee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 , " Par Scott " <parufus@e...> wrote: > Apropos of nothing, I just saw an advertisement for Budweiser with added > caffeine, guarana and ginseng, this strikes me as dumber than the shampoo > with ginseng. > > Par At least it probably works better than ginseng shampoo, assuming that one can stomach watery American beer. I bet that the marketing boost they get from incorporating ginseng is worth far more than they pay for the trace amounts of the lowest grade panax available. I think the Budweiser beer was prompted by the domestic success of red bull among alcohol users. In Taiwan, a variety of red bull-like products exist, and many of them are souped up with ginseng, lycium, rhodiola, and other supplements. I think the original Thai red bulls are just vitamins, taurine, and caffeine (red bull originally came from Thailand). On a similar note, red bull is apparently illegal in France. Since red bull costs 25 US cents per bottle in Thailand ($2 in the US, with a much worse flavor), I'm surprised that the French don't have a black market springing up for the stuff. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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