RE: interesting Crohn's disease cure

[Guest guest]

>

> Musiclear [Musiclear]

>

> From what I understand, pot smoking is cool, maybe considered, cold

> which

> may relieve the heat symptoms from Crohn's.

[Jason]

Where is this from? Pot smoking may be cool, in some circles, but I would

never think that it would be cooling or cold. If anything it stirs

ministerial fire and creates heat in the body, IMO. One just need to look

at the side effects after smoking to see this... but maybe you have had a

different experience that you would like to share that illustrates

marijuana's cold nature...

 

 

>

> On the other hand, with Crohn's, there is likely an immune response to

> food or an infection of some sort in the gut. Pot will likely suppress

> the

> immune system and mediate the reaction to the offending food or infection

> and

> lesson the inflammation and symptoms.

[Jason]

that is a logical assumption although originally the research was done on

cigarette smoking, so this is also puzzling... but I'm mostly interested in

the TCM explanation...

thanks for your input,

 

--

[Guest guest]

I have a feeling it biomedically the nicotine has some sort of astringing

effect. Smoking

pot all day is probably created a lot of lung heat thus also eventually

astringing the Large

Intestine as well as calming inflammatory reactions as well as loosening liver

qi stagnation

that is overacting. (I'm one of those that believes that while high, pot lets

liver qi runs

wild.)

Incidentally, one of the greatest words I heard on TV came from the new show,

House,

about a " medical detective " . The doctor prescribed a cigarette a day to a

patient for

Crohn's and the patient complained, " But these are addictive and dangerous " to

which the

Doctor replied, " All the drugs I prescribe are addictive and dangerous. "

doug

 

 

 

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wrote:

>

>

> >

> > Musiclear@a... [Musiclear@a...]

> >

> > From what I understand, pot smoking is cool, maybe considered, cold

> > which

> > may relieve the heat symptoms from Crohn's.

> [Jason]

> Where is this from? Pot smoking may be cool, in some circles, but I would

> never think that it would be cooling or cold. If anything it stirs

> ministerial fire and creates heat in the body, IMO. One just need to look

> at the side effects after smoking to see this... but maybe you have had a

> different experience that you would like to share that illustrates

> marijuana's cold nature...

>

>

> >

> > On the other hand, with Crohn's, there is likely an immune response to

> > food or an infection of some sort in the gut. Pot will likely suppress

> > the

> > immune system and mediate the reaction to the offending food or infection

> > and

> > lesson the inflammation and symptoms.

> [Jason]

> that is a logical assumption although originally the research was done on

> cigarette smoking, so this is also puzzling... but I'm mostly interested in

> the TCM explanation...

> thanks for your input,

>

> --

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/19/2005 10:02:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

Where is this from? Pot smoking may be cool, in some circles, but I would

never think that it would be cooling or cold. If anything it stirs

ministerial fire and creates heat in the body, IMO. One just need to look

at the side effects after smoking to see this... but maybe you have had a

different experience that you would like to share that illustrates

marijuana's cold nature...

 

One of my professors at school said it was " cool " . I would bet it does

downgrade the immune system. If a person has autoimmune problems, it may calm

that down which would definitely make it cooling in that situation.

 

Maybe not?

 

Chris

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I think pot relieves liver constraint (though with yin damage if smoked

and perhaps orally as well), so if the pathomechanism of the crohns was

rooted in liver overacting on spleen, then this might explain things in

part. From the zhong yao da ci dian:

 

Âéʈ

Ma fen refers to the flower of female cannabis plants. It is acrid,

bitter, and balanced, and is traditionally considered to possess

toxicity. Its

actions are to dispel wind, relieve pain, and settle tetany.

 

This same type of description is used for fang feng vis a vis its use

in tong xie yao fang

 

from the new clavey/bensky: expels wind and relieves spasms:

....alleviates ....tetany. Also for intestinal wind due to imbalance

between liver and spleen manifested in recurrent diarrhea with blood in

the stool.

 

According to Bob Damone in reference to his translation work on the

upcoming Jiao shu de formulas books, Jiao speaks at some length about

the role of fang feng as a key herb for liver depression. Ma fen may

have similar actions. Its long use in eclectic and german herbology as

a treatment for mental depression further underscores it's likely role

in relieving liver depression.

 

 

On Jan 19, 2005, at 5:46 AM, wrote:

 

>

> Over the holidays I ran into an old friend who had been suffering from

> Crohn's disease for quite some time. Over the course of the disease

> he had

> lost probably 50 pounds and would frequently lose large amounts of

> blood.

> He said he had cured himself and had been symptom-free for over a

> year. His

> cure? Smoking large amounts of marijuana daily... he said he actually

> researched this 'protocol' before engaging, but originally (I think)

> the

> research done was on smoking cigarettes. Either way I find this

> fascinating, because he had tried everything under the sun, but am

> having a

> hard time understanding the TCM pathomechanism underlying this

> 'cure'...

> comments?

>

>

>

> -- Jason

>

 

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