Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 If you have not yet received the redwing winter supplement, you should request one or see if they have an online download of it. It announces several of Paradigm's ongoing, recent and upcoming projects. First, I must mention Eric Brand's (Smiling Lotus at CHA) Concise Materia Medica, a work in progress that should be out this year. It is an impressive work that has as its strong suit comprehensive introductory sections for each chapter. While not dense with the type of commentary that makes the new Bensky/Clavey so valuable, it devotes much more thorough attention to the introduction to treatment principles, pathomechanisms and strategies associated with each category. This will make it particularly useful in curriculum designed like PCOM's, where the intro materia medica class is an overview of just these concepts. The nature of the introductory section of each chapter is very concise (of course), organized in nice bite sized chunks and easily cross referenced to other texts that discuss similar topics such as Fundamentals, Deng and the PD. It uses Wiseman terminology, of course, and does center to some degree on the definitions of terms. Again, this is perfect at this stage (second term at many schools, after having only about 35 classroom hours of basic OM theory). At PCOM, the intro OM class is soft enough to teach the same material to the massage students, so it does not really prepare for just launching into herbology without discussing concepts like moving blood or supplementing qi in some detail as they are not being discussed elsewhere prior. I know this is true of most programs which must start herbs early enough to complete formulas classes before internship. We have always used Fundamentals of CM to fill this gap, but it is not considered beginner friendly by most of our students. We will still use it, but this new Mat Med is much more amenable to the actual class structure as it is. In addition, their will be companion lecture materials for teachers (powerpoint slides of the main points) and computer based tools for students (PDA based database for quick clinical reference). I have also seen some of the new Jiao Shu De formulas text. Bob Damone of PCOM was one of the translators on this project, as was Craig Mitchell, Lynn Kuchinski, with Wiseman editing. While his medicinal lectures text is mainly quite useful for beginners, even seasoned clinicians will find the formulas text filled with gems, including many lesser known formulas and new takes on classics and those more commonly used. This book is not structured like a reference text, so it does not replace Bensky, but at the very least, supplements it and adds nuance and depth and completely new ideas to familiar terrain. This is Bob Damone's debut on the textbook stage and it is a commendable one. I know he has a few more projects in the works. Paradigm has already announced his role in providing the commentary and annotation to a translation of The Essentials of Gynecology in Verse. I imagine this will be similar to what Bob Flaws has done in his admirable new edition of the Pi Wei Lun. That is, use one's extensive access to the modern and premodern chinese medical literature to help guide readers understanding of the passages from the source text. This is true scholarship in both cases in the sense that the source text is there for all to see and the commentary is clearly delineated so one may consider the two in their proper relationship. A welcome supplement to books that do not so clearly make this distinction. We're all proud of you guys, the various Bobs, Eric and Craig, whom we know well and those others who we have yet to meet. So keeping cranking it out. We will soon have new regulatory oversight in Calif. and this may be an opportunity to break the current textbook stranglehold. The Little Hoover commission has recommended that we focus ourselves on the practice of OM and the DCA will likely implement these recs. That means that we will be able to practice OM ourselves and will have to collaborate or seek dual licensure if we want to use WM or naturopathy for dx or treatment. It is likely that our materia medica will be restricted to chinese herbs. It is payback time from the naturopaths who we restricted from practicing chinese herbology last year due to lack of training. If a patient wants glucosamine sulfate, they will need to be referred to a physician for assessment. Luckily, Paradigm has another timely project on the horizon called Modern therapeutics of TCM. This 2 volume set seems to embrace the Zhang xi chun approach to integrated east west medicine, which embraces TCM theory and uses modern biomedical concepts as they serve CM, not vice-versa. Zhang is pretty much the patron saint of CHA in my mind, so this is a welcome addition. I hope our profession will take the opportunity the Little Hoover Commission has provided us here in Calif and embrace (and its bonafide Asian offshoots like Kanpo, etc.) as a distinct apprach to medicine and that we abandon endorsement of practices more correctly associated with other forms of healthcare such as Holistic Healthcare Practitioner or Naturopathic Physician or Family Therapist. If one wants to practice those things, get those degrees or if one feels that one should not have to submit to government restrictions, then don't get any license at all and pretty much do as one pleases (no acupuncture in most states, though). But a license is something the state ostensibly gives you to protect the public, not empower you to disregard the law. Why should a license include the legally protected right to practice things one is not trained to do? I think any two people should be able to consent to any type of contract, but that is quite different from saying the government should endorse the practice of poorly trained healers. Let em heal, if they want, but not with government sanction. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. The public turns their brain off when they hear the words licensed or board certified. The licensure must have meaning and offer real protection or it must be required that those who practice outside their scope and training reveal this to their patients in the same type of disclosures required for unlicensed healers in Calif. So if you do homeopathy or western herbs, just come clean. It may appear that medical doctors have sweeping scopes, yet they also must adhere to standards of care or risk prosecution. Many docs have been harrassed fro prescribing herbs instead of drugs, for example. Though this is less common as more research is done. So lets train our students in CM and treat our patients with CM and refer when necessary and just study something else if this wasn't what you had in mind. Chinese Herbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 OK, I'll open a can of worms as to chiropractors and what their scope is in California (for example). Is there going to be any restriction on their prescribing supplements (quote/ unquote) as you seem to suggest Acupunctures will have? doug The licensure must have meaning and offer real protection > or it must be required that those who practice outside their scope and > training reveal this to their patients in the same type of disclosures > required for unlicensed healers in Calif. So if you do homeopathy or > western herbs, just come clean. It may appear that medical doctors > have sweeping scopes, yet they also must adhere to standards of care or > risk prosecution. Many docs have been harrassed fro prescribing herbs > instead of drugs, for example. Though this is less common as more > research is done. So lets train our students in CM and treat our > patients with CM and refer when necessary and just study something else > if this wasn't what you had in mind. > > > > Chinese Herbs > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Many docs have been harrassed fro prescribing herbs instead of drugs, for example >>>No longer in california as MDs are now protected and can use any alternative therapy without fear. I totally disagree with your vision and reversal of progress. Which off shoots of CM would you except? Who decides what is an offshoot and what is not? Do we stop all progress and change in understanding disease and implementation of needles, herbs, bodywork,nutrition etc. Should the osteopaths loose all their techniques that are rooted in other traditions (counterstrain, high velocity, many massage techniques etc., for that mater should the profession of chiropractic be dissolved because it took off osteopathic roots)? Should WM not use newly developed medicines that come from chinese herbs? I have never seen a profession in which its own members are lobbying for added restrictions and reversal of precedent. All medical profession in the US have all increased their scope with time. Do you want to loose all excess to botanicals if the worse case scenario with the FDA comes to light? Homeopathic preparation are at least approved drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 , " " wrote: > > OK, I'll open a can of worms as to chiropractors and what their scope is in California (for > example). Is there going to be any restriction on their prescribing supplements (quote/ > unquote) as you seem to suggest Acupunctures will have? > doug I think they are trained in nutrition and supplements, but not chinese herbology. Nutrition has always been part of chiropractic philosophy and practice from day one. But they should be held to same standard. That question is not for us. Our question is what are we trained to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Todd: I graduated from Los Angeles College of Chiropractic in 1990. At that time, we had a full year of clinical nutrition and basic nutrition. I agree that if you have not been fully trained in TCM, the scope of practice should not allow any profession to utilize those modalities. Perhaps one exception would be using the basic standard american herbs, etc. such as St. Johns wort for depression. Again, this is more of a medical model of using herbs. Brian < wrote: , " " wrote: > > OK, I'll open a can of worms as to chiropractors and what their scope is in California (for > example). Is there going to be any restriction on their prescribing supplements (quote/ > unquote) as you seem to suggest Acupunctures will have? > doug I think they are trained in nutrition and supplements, but not chinese herbology. Nutrition has always been part of chiropractic philosophy and practice from day one. But they should be held to same standard. That question is not for us. Our question is what are we trained to do? Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 I am currently attending NWCC and would respectfully disagree with you. The founders of chiropractic saw that the subluxation was the cause of problems not nutritional deficiencies. In their interest to become a jack of all trades chiro have expanded their education to include nutrition, physical therapy, acupuncture, etc. The usage of nutrients is important but not part of chiropractic. That is not to say that DC's do not use them, as many do. I have spent more than a decade learning about nutrition and find that there is so much to it even a year of it is not enough. The DC's in CA may suffer in the end from the same bug that is after us and need to get another degree/license in order to please the Republican leadership in CA. This is very scary as we can easily lose ground in our profession that will set us back years. Integration not separation is the key to the future. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " " < > > > Re: redwing supplement >Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:25:20 -0000 > > > , " " >wrote: > > > > OK, I'll open a can of worms as to chiropractors and what their scope is >in California (for > > example). Is there going to be any restriction on their prescribing >supplements (quote/ > > unquote) as you seem to suggest Acupunctures will have? > > doug > > > >I think they are trained in nutrition and supplements, but not chinese >herbology. Nutrition >has always been part of chiropractic philosophy and practice from day one. >But they >should be held to same standard. That question is not for us. Our >question is what are >we trained to do? > >Todd > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 My 'short answer' to this is that if a 'western medicinal' is described in the Great Dictionary of Chinese Medicinals (or at least a very similar plant or species, remembering that the Chinese often use several plants as one medicinal when necessary), that it can be considered to be a 'Chinese medicinal'. St. Johnswort is definitely one of them. On Feb 7, 2005, at 9:35 AM, Brian Hardy wrote: > > I agree that if you have not been fully trained in TCM, the scope of > practice should not allow any profession to utilize those modalities. > > Perhaps one exception would be using the basic standard american > herbs, etc. such as St. Johns wort for depression. Again, this is more > of a medical model of using herbs. > > Brian > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 been part of chiropractic philosophy and practice from day one >>>>>Todd study the wars of the straits and mixers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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