Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Seeing as how I probably won't soon cough up $150 for the new Dunhuang Medical Manuscripts translations I was blasting around the web tonight found some sites that might interest the scholars here... I guess Nathan Sivin is a bit controversial but anyway some interesting writings on the emotions. http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~nsivin/counter.html And an extensive list of resources by Sivin: http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~nsivin/scimed.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 , " " wrote: > I guess Nathan Sivin is a bit controversial I disagree. He is conservative and accurate. He is not a wild speculator. He is also a fan of CM. I have always liked his work but anyway some interesting writings on the > emotions. > > http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~nsivin/counter.html A superb article. It demonstrates even further that the only type of emotional therapy typically used in CM was so-called counter- therapy. There was no theory of personality. Thus, CM really offers us little on this accord. It is all western contrivance until someone actually comes up something even remotely resembling a citation. Now, don't get me wrong. I value the actual practice of many schools of psychology and psychiatry. I just insist there is no precedent for practicing anything resembling modern psychotherapy within CM and those who wish to do it should seek proper training or disclose themselves to their patients in writing. This also does not mean that I doubt the existence of psychologically oriented practices within Daoism and Buddhism. I know this to be true. It is just that such ideas were never developed amongst literate physicians in China. And I will not accept their ad hoc development by those who have little or no real access to these sources. Even the story Heiner Fruehauf tells of the great emotional healer somewhere in remote China merely involved counter therapy and catharsis. The patients had emotions induced to counter the prevailing ones and went home and vomited and were all better afterwards. No theory of personality, no advice, no conscious insight, nothing that smacks of psychological transformation in the modern sense. Just a physical purge and on with life. I do not think this is adequate for many modern westerners and thus they need actual counseling from a trained psychologist or cleric, not some MSU from an acupuncturist who has no historical or research basis for what they are doing. And believe, the average American has no interest in getting shrinked or gurued by their L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 I'm always amazed at my collegues and their students who find points or channels that are " for grief " or " for sadness " . I like to see their disappointment and surprise when I take a five element approach of tonifying the spleen to " treat heart ache " rather than going for Heart 1, 3, 5 and 7 in the same treatment. doug > > > but anyway some interesting writings on the > > emotions. > > > > http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~nsivin/counter.html > > A superb article. It demonstrates even further that the only type of > emotional therapy typically used in CM was so-called counter- > therapy. There was no theory of personality. Thus, CM really offers > us little on this accord. It is all western contrivance until > someone actually comes up something even remotely resembling a > citation. Now, don't get me wrong. I value the actual practice of > many schools of psychology and psychiatry. I just insist there is no > precedent for practicing anything resembling modern psychotherapy > within CM and those who wish to do it should seek proper training or > disclose themselves to their patients in writing. This also does not > mean that I doubt the existence of psychologically oriented practices > within Daoism and Buddhism. I know this to be true. It is just that > such ideas were never developed amongst literate physicians in > China. And I will not accept their ad hoc development by those who > have little or no real access to these sources. Even the story > Heiner Fruehauf tells of the great emotional healer somewhere in > remote China merely involved counter therapy and catharsis. The > patients had emotions induced to counter the prevailing ones and went > home and vomited and were all better afterwards. No theory of > personality, no advice, no conscious insight, nothing that smacks of > psychological transformation in the modern sense. Just a physical > purge and on with life. I do not think this is adequate for many > modern westerners and thus they need actual counseling from a trained > psychologist or cleric, not some MSU from an acupuncturist who has no > historical or research basis for what they are doing. And believe, > the average American has no interest in getting shrinked or gurued by > their L.Ac. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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