statistics and cancer

[Guest guest]

, mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1@h...> wrote:

> I wish that I had never taken statistics in college.

> Later

> Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

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Mike,

A few scientists I know have told me that statistics are very easy

to manipulate in order to make a point. I like to have a healthy

scepticism of them and of anyone that says they have 'the answer'

for...(fill in the blank).

Unless of course I agree with them.

Cheers,

Jill

[Guest guest]

Stats can and are being manipulated in many research arenas. Follow the

money and see how the researchers are connected to the idea, product, etc

being tested. This is especially obvious in drug trials where it is

rampant.

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

> " Jill A. Likkel " <jilllikkel

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>Re: statistics and cancer

>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:20:08 -0000

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> , mike Bowser

><naturaldoc1@h...> wrote:

> > I wish that I had never taken statistics in college.

> > Later

> > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

> >

> >

>Mike,

>A few scientists I know have told me that statistics are very easy

>to manipulate in order to make a point. I like to have a healthy

>scepticism of them and of anyone that says they have 'the answer'

>for...(fill in the blank).

>Unless of course I agree with them.

>Cheers,

>Jill

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A few scientists I know have told me that statistics are very easy

to manipulate in order to make a point. I like to have a healthy

scepticism of them and of anyone that says they have 'the answer'

for...(fill in the blank).

Unless of course I agree with them.

Cheers,\>>>

>>>>>>>

That is why you need to study statistics as well as the studies you review.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Follow the

money and see how the researchers are connected to the idea, product, etc

being tested. This is especially obvious in drug trials where it is

rampant.

>>>>>>>Why not follow the research and statistic of the study so you can tell

what is going on and not just react from paranoia. There are many very good

studies, if one is ignorant it is too easy to just act from feeling instead of

knowledge.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Have you guys read " The China Study " ? It came out in January and is a good

read and very interesting. In the end, they find that a vegan diet is the

one with the lowest incidence of disease. Here is Amazon's synopsis:

 

 

 

" This exhaustive presentation of the findings from the China Study

conclusively demonstrates the link between nutrition and heart disease,

diabetes, and cancer. Referred to as the " Grand Prix of epidemiology " by The

New York Times, this study examines more than 350 variables of health and

nutrition with surveys from 6,500 adults in 65 counties, representing 2,500

counties across rural China and Taiwan. While revealing that proper

nutrition can have a dramatic effect on reducing and reversing these

ailments as well as obesity, this text calls into question the practices of

many of the current dietary programs, such as the Atkins diet, that enjoy

widespread popularity in the West. The impact of the politics of nutrition

and the efforts of special interest groups on the creation and dissemination

of public information on nutrition are also discussed. "

 

 

 

Sean

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I hate to inform you of this but fraud is a big problem within the research

communities, especially pharmaceuticals.

>>>>>I am very well aware of this. While you cant always see everything when

reading the study itself, many time there is much more information that is quite

different from the abstract which most people read. You can often see that the

actual numbers have been worked.

I am also aware about the fact that often the people that write the study, that

is the principle author(s), never see the raw data, they only get what the drug

companies have already massaged.At least now many of the major journals make

drug companies register studies before they start if they ever want to publish

them in the j. At least now we will see more of the negative studies

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I hate to inform you of this but fraud is a big problem within the research

communities, especially pharmaceuticals. FDR made mention of this in his

final speech to the American public. Since that time it has gotten much

worse. This is not paranoia just acknowledgement of the simple truth.

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

> " " <alonmarcus

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>Re: statistics and cancer

>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:28:33 -0600

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>Follow the

>money and see how the researchers are connected to the idea, product, etc

>being tested. This is especially obvious in drug trials where it is

>rampant.

> >>>>>>>Why not follow the research and statistic of the study so you can

>tell what is going on and not just react from paranoia. There are many very

>good studies, if one is ignorant it is too easy to just act from feeling

>instead of knowledge.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Poor studies still continue regardless of the data and conclusions that are

as far-fetched as the Bush deficit reduction budget. I would not hold my

breath, just reading their conclusions can be a good fairy tale.

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

> " " <alonmarcus

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>Re: statistics and cancer

>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:36:05 -0600

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>I hate to inform you of this but fraud is a big problem within the research

>communities, especially pharmaceuticals.

> >>>>>I am very well aware of this. While you cant always see everything

>when reading the study itself, many time there is much more information

>that is quite different from the abstract which most people read. You can

>often see that the actual numbers have been worked.

>I am also aware about the fact that often the people that write the study,

>that is the principle author(s), never see the raw data, they only get what

>the drug companies have already massaged.At least now many of the major

>journals make drug companies register studies before they start if they

>ever want to publish them in the j. At least now we will see more of the

>negative studies

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