chinese herbs wholesaler in Belgium/ Europe

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

could someone please point me to a Chinese herbs wholesaler in

Belgium, where I live now?Or in Europe... I would like to purchase the

most common herbs to sell from my practice.

 

Thank you,

 

Tom.

[Guest guest]

Tom,

 

Just returned from Europe last week. Francois Ramakers, a well known

teacher of CM who lives in Antwerp, told a Congress of MDs in Austria

that Chinese herbs were now completely forbidden in Belgium. Don't

know how accurate that is, but it is what I heard.

 

Bob

 

 

 

, " Tom Verhaeghe "

<verhaeghe_tom@h...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> could someone please point me to a Chinese herbs wholesaler in

> Belgium, where I live now?Or in Europe... I would like to purchase the

> most common herbs to sell from my practice.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Tom.

[Guest guest]

This really does underscore the need to become more active and bring our

profession online as well. I think that if we do not we will lose herbal

medicines to the MD/DO. I also think that with recent studies geared toward

Chinese herbs and cancer (or other illnesses) we will have a hard time

argueing against the FDA definition of a drug. This seems to be a growing

trend to rob us and our patients of quality care and educated advice. I

never had a problem with previous research to try to understand herbs and

what they do but now I think that each study is moving us one more step

closer to this unfortunate reality. Herbal research is not our friend.

What do others feel?

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

> " Bob Flaws " <pemachophel2001

>

>

> Re: chinese herbs wholesaler in Belgium/ Europe

>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:03:25 -0000

>

>

>Tom,

>

>Just returned from Europe last week. Francois Ramakers, a well known

>teacher of CM who lives in Antwerp, told a Congress of MDs in Austria

>that Chinese herbs were now completely forbidden in Belgium. Don't

>know how accurate that is, but it is what I heard.

>

>Bob

>

>

>

> , " Tom Verhaeghe "

><verhaeghe_tom@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > could someone please point me to a Chinese herbs wholesaler in

> > Belgium, where I live now?Or in Europe... I would like to purchase the

> > most common herbs to sell from my practice.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Tom.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom

 

Check-out http://www.shenzhou.com/ in Amsterdam. They do wholesale to

the whole of Europe.

 

You can also contact http://www.kangning.nl/index.html . I have

heared positive things about the quality of their herbs but I don't

know if they supply outside the Netherlands.

 

Good luck

 

Alwin

 

 

, " Tom Verhaeghe "

<verhaeghe_tom@h...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> could someone please point me to a Chinese herbs wholesaler in

> Belgium, where I live now?Or in Europe... I would like to purchase

the

> most common herbs to sell from my practice.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Tom.

[Guest guest]

, " Bob Flaws "

<pemachophel2001> wrote:

>

> Tom,

>

> Just returned from Europe last week. Francois Ramakers, a well known

> teacher of CM who lives in Antwerp, told a Congress of MDs in Austria

> that Chinese herbs were now completely forbidden in Belgium. Don't

> know how accurate that is, but it is what I heard.

>

> Bob

 

I don't think that is actually true, as there are several suppliers in

Belgium: www.chinanature.be, www.medichin.be and www.sinecura.be

Only the first one now sells crude Chinese herbs (per kg), but the

second and third one plan to in the very near future (prescriptions).

I have heard of one regular drugstore in Ghent that sells crude herbs

but I don't have the address.

Medichin and Sinecura both offer powders and tablets, and have been

doing that for a very long time. I recently contacted them and they

did not mention a possible ban. I know the climate is quite tight (it

still is after the infamous kidney case, a long time ago), but a

complete ban? Did Mr. Ramakers say why?

It's true that Chinese herbal medicine is not regulated (yet) in

Belgium. Acupuncture is, since '99, together with homeopathy,

osteopathy and chiropraxis.

 

I was hoping to find a wholesale supplier with a good price. I'm going

to start up a clinic in the near future and would like to sell crude

herbal formulas from my clinic. That is legal, but you have to

register as a business owner (which is also possible but not necessary

as an acupuncturist.)

 

I know of http://www.medboom.com/ in Holland, but I was hoping to find

a cheaper supplier?

 

Tom.

[Guest guest]

hello all

 

Just a question about Chinese herbs in powder extracts.

What is know about the use of these preparations of herbs ?

Some say that it is not wise to use the herbs this way because the herbs should

lose most of their working ???

 

thanks

 

Rick

 

Tom Verhaeghe <verhaeghe_tom wrote:

 

, " Bob Flaws "

<pemachophel2001> wrote:

>

> Tom,

>

> Just returned from Europe last week. Francois Ramakers, a well known

> teacher of CM who lives in Antwerp, told a Congress of MDs in Austria

> that Chinese herbs were now completely forbidden in Belgium. Don't

> know how accurate that is, but it is what I heard.

>

> Bob

 

I don't think that is actually true, as there are several suppliers in

Belgium: www.chinanature.be, www.medichin.be and www.sinecura.be

Only the first one now sells crude Chinese herbs (per kg), but the

second and third one plan to in the very near future (prescriptions).

I have heard of one regular drugstore in Ghent that sells crude herbs

but I don't have the address.

Medichin and Sinecura both offer powders and tablets, and have been

doing that for a very long time. I recently contacted them and they

did not mention a possible ban. I know the climate is quite tight (it

still is after the infamous kidney case, a long time ago), but a

complete ban? Did Mr. Ramakers say why?

It's true that Chinese herbal medicine is not regulated (yet) in

Belgium. Acupuncture is, since '99, together with homeopathy,

osteopathy and chiropraxis.

 

I was hoping to find a wholesale supplier with a good price. I'm going

to start up a clinic in the near future and would like to sell crude

herbal formulas from my clinic. That is legal, but you have to

register as a business owner (which is also possible but not necessary

as an acupuncturist.)

 

I know of http://www.medboom.com/ in Holland, but I was hoping to find

a cheaper supplier?

 

Tom.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> I don't think that is actually true, as there are several suppliers in

> Belgium: www.chinanature.be, www.medichin.be and www.sinecura.be

> Only the first one now sells crude Chinese herbs (per kg), but the

> second and third one plan to in the very near future (prescriptions).

 

Tom,

 

Then I must have misunderstood what Francois was saying. It was at a

diner party and the wine was flowing. I suggest that you get in touch

with him for clarification or details. I know he was being very

alarmist about the whole thing.

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

Just a question about Chinese herbs in powder extracts.

What is know about the use of these preparations of herbs ?

Some say that it is not wise to use the herbs this way because the herbs should

lose most of their working

>>>>Rick except for the PRC these are the major way chinese herbs are used these

days

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " "

<alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> Just a question about Chinese herbs in powder extracts.

> What is know about the use of these preparations of herbs ?

> Some say that it is not wise to use the herbs this way because the

herbs should lose most of their working

> >>>>Rick except for the PRC these are the major way chinese herbs

are used these days

>

 

Powders are now increasingly popular in the PRC. The PRC does use

more Korean-style extraction machines for small batch cooking than we

see elsewhere, though. That is probably the best, but the most labor

intensive for the practitioners.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

, " Bob Flaws "

<pemachophel2001> wrote:

>

> > I don't think that is actually true, as there are several suppliers in

> > Belgium: www.chinanature.be, www.medichin.be and www.sinecura.be

> > Only the first one now sells crude Chinese herbs (per kg), but the

> > second and third one plan to in the very near future (prescriptions).

>

> Tom,

>

> Then I must have misunderstood what Francois was saying. It was at a

> diner party and the wine was flowing. I suggest that you get in touch

> with him for clarification or details. I know he was being very

> alarmist about the whole thing.

>

> Bob

 

I had an interesting conversation with Rudy from Sinecura Belgium

yesterday. He knows Francois personally and was VERY surprised by

this. He explained that they are also the main supplier of Chinese

herbs (granules) in Austria, where Francois is working now, I believe.

He also told me something interesting about the granules. Sinecura

gets their herbs from Kaiser (Taiwan). The concentration of their

granules depends on the actice compounds in each batch of herbs. So

for the same herb but different batch, the concentration comparing to

raw herbs could be 1:6 or 1:8 depending on the batch. He told me that

most of the herbs are being produced at a 1:8 concentration. They seem

to be very concentrated, at least according to Austrian standards. The

government there didn't know what to do with the Chinese herbs, so

they ordered a test. Sinecura's herbs came out way on top (actice

ingredients) whilst Alfred Vogel's tinctures scored very low, for

example. This led to the current law in Austria of chinese herbs being

classified as medicinals, with A. Vogel's products still being

regarded as foods (supplements).

In Belgium, Rudy explained that both the pharmaceutical and the food

industry wanted to " own " the Chinese herbs, but the Belgian FDA keeps

control and it will stay that way. Suppliers in Belgium must comply

with food hygienic standards etc. There is no immediate danger that

Belgium will classify Chinese herbs as medicine. But things are of

course changing in Europe, so who knows?

 

Regards,

 

Tom.

[Guest guest]

Tom,

 

It was in Austria where I had this conversation. Francois teaches for

Pro-Medica, a German MD CM association which hosts their intensives in

Weissensee, Austria. Francois still lives in Antwerp. He should be

back there by now.

 

Bob