Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Did (we - CHA) or anyone ever figure the different ratios of extraction for different herbs in granular form? If we get a list then we can write a simple macro / code to adjust our dosage from raw appropriately... IMO, right now if one just generally reduces ALL doses in the Rx by i.e. 5 then one has changed the formula. I have bad luck with switching people from raw to granulars, many times the effect it nil to minimal... I think that the above is one reason as well as (me) not dosing high enough (due to costs)... I usually does at 10 scoops (grams) a day, and I understand in Mainland and Taiwan dosing will be 2-3 times that.... but that is another issue... Comments...? Eric do you access to such information? -Jason > > Eric Brand [smilinglotus] > Friday, February 25, 2005 11:59 PM > > Re: More on " a disorder of qi " > > > > , " " > <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > > Eric Does Feng Ye use the Taiwanese/Japanese style of mixing > prepared Rx or more PRC style in his practice? > > > > > > Sorry for the delay, offline for a few days. > > Feng Ye does both. I don't know much about how it is done in Japan, > but in Taiwan many doctors now compound granule formulas and add > single meds as additions. This is much more common than combining > singles as granules (which I have seen in the PRC) to make a formula > from scratch. However, when patients request raw herbs instead of > granules, Feng Ye writes the prescription from scratch in the normal > style, without any extraneous ingredients. > > In Taiwan, national healthcare covers granules but does not cover raw > herbs. Patients and doctors know that raw herbs are more effective, > but because patients have to pay out of pocket and raw herbs are > inconvenient, they are used less frequently. Granules are still > regarded as effective, and the modern method of compounding formulas > and adding singles is also considered to be effective, even though it > is not traditional. If you ask Feng Ye or other docs about this, they > will tell you that this new style is basically a mass-scale > experiment. They see that it is effective, so they go along with it, > but it is without a doubt a modern technique with little historical > precendent. The reason they use combined formulas with added singles > instead of combining singles from scratch is because research shows > that different chemicals are produced when the formula is cooked > together (at the factory) than when the pure singles are combined in > water. They want the effect of decocting meds together, so they > combined formulas, but they accept the fact that they have some > ingredients present that are not really required for the case and also > acknowledge that the formula is bigger and more complex with > ingredients than necessary. > > It is basically a vast experiment, but it has been going on for a long > time and has been used for millions of cases with a basically good > effect. It is what the gov't pays for and is what many patients > prefer. The doctors may ideally prefer writing formulas from scratch, > but that happens in the minority of cases these days. The Taiwanese > understand that they are taking it into a new frontier, with some > risks, some gains, and some unknowns, but still a basically useful end > result. > > There is concern that new generations of doctors who rely on this > method will lose their ability to master writing prescriptions from > scratch. This is a similar concern to the use of computers with > regard to the ability of young Chinese people to write characters from > scratch. The old folks lament the fact that some high school kids are > forgetting how to write hard and obscure characters by hand (because > computers allow you to write by recognition, which is MUCH easier). > Anyway, such is life in the modern world, it seems. > > Eric Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including > board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Did (we - CHA) or anyone ever figure the different ratios of extraction for different herbs in granular form? If we get a list then we can write a simple macro / code to adjust our dosage from raw appropriately... >>>Jason i have a list from Quali but for some reason they do not want me to share it. For some reason they think it will give them headaches because " we do not understand " powders well. If you use a precooked formula they often dose at 10-15g per day. I mix the single herbs as though they are a of 5 to 1 concentrate (even though they range between 2-9 to 1 concentration depending on the herb or mineral). I then calculate the total dosage. I often end up with 15-30g per day depending on dose and size of formula. This works well for me and i have not seen a reduction in activity compared to raw herbs. I used only raw herbs for 10 years and then switched to powders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 , " " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > I mix the single herbs as though they are a of 5 to 1 concentrate (even though they range between 2-9 to 1 concentration depending on the herb or mineral). What Alon has said is very similar to what Andy Ellis once told me. There is some variance in concentration depending on how much soluble matter is in a given substance. I don't know the specifics of different ones. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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