Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Well, OK. I personally wouldn't consider 9g of EPA by itself to be a reasonable amount, but I guess it will suppress NKC at those levels. I also wouldn't draw a parallel between the immune suppression in this study, and taking reasonable amounts of fish oil as a supplement. But that is just me. In conclusion, I wouldn't suggest people eat fish two or three times a week unless they were certain of it's origin and that the fish were toxin free. I do agree that in general, food is the best source of nutrition. Supplements are not a replacement. However, many people are metabolically challenged to a point that nutritional supplements are a great benefit over high quality food alone. Chris .. In a message dated 3/9/2005 11:13:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jilllikkel writes: , Musiclear@a... wrote: > > > I watched a program while ago on organ transplants that referenced the > omega 6 group as immune suppressors. There were no references to EPA or DHA. I > believe it may have even been a specific as corn oil for immune suppression > for transplants, but I just cannot say for sure if they actually said corn oil > or I just thought it. > > I would be very surprised if reasonable amounts of EPA or DHA were found > to be immune suppressors. > > Chris I found a reference to one study where they gave 9 capsules daily for 12 weeks of EPA and no other long chain fatty acids and the NKC fell by 48% but fully revered itself after the supplement was stopped. I wonder what the effect would be on simply eating fish two or three times a week instead of supplementation. In the fish you would get a balance of EFA's as well as the other nutrients. Imagine that eating your food instead of taking a pill? But I have been here before on this subject Jill Likkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 , Musiclear@a... wrote: > > > I watched a program while ago on organ transplants that referenced the > omega 6 group as immune suppressors. There were no references to EPA or DHA. I > believe it may have even been a specific as corn oil for immune suppression > for transplants, but I just cannot say for sure if they actually said corn oil > or I just thought it. > > I would be very surprised if reasonable amounts of EPA or DHA were found > to be immune suppressors. > > Chris I found a reference to one study where they gave 9 capsules daily for 12 weeks of EPA and no other long chain fatty acids and the NKC fell by 48% but fully revered itself after the supplement was stopped. I wonder what the effect would be on simply eating fish two or three times a week instead of supplementation. In the fish you would get a balance of EFA's as well as the other nutrients. Imagine that eating your food instead of taking a pill? But I have been here before on this subject Jill Likkel > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 I wonder what the effect would be on simply eating fish two or three times a week instead of supplementation. In the fish you would get a balance of EFA's as well as the other nutrients. Imagine that eating your food instead of taking a pill? But I have been here before on this subject >>>>>>>You can go nuts cant you. Also, the question is which of the NKC some can have harmful effects when high. I guess we will find out. Also a new study found that lipitor while decreasing deaths from cardiovascular disease increases the rate of death from all other causes including CA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Well, OK. I personally wouldn't consider 9g of EPA by itself to be a reasonable amount, but I guess it will suppress NKC at those levels. >>>>They probably reported on EPA but for sure it had DHA as well as other fatty acids with it. I would be to costly to have only EPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 That may very well be true. If so, then we are talking about a lot of oil. In the bottle of Carlson fish oil I have here, there is 460mg of EPA per teaspoon. In order to get 9grams of EPA, a person would have to ingest 19.5 teaspoons of fish oil. That is approaching 1/2c of oil. Do you think that might cause some problems? I'm not sure the point you are trying to make, but in my original post I said, " I would be very surprised if reasonable amounts of EPA or DHA were found to be immune suppressors. I am not surprised that almost a half cup of oil suppresses the immune system. Are you? On top of the quantity issue, there is also the question of quality. Given the delicate nature of both DHA and EPA, how sure can we be that the oils used in this study weren't rancid? This would also tend to jeopardize the imune system of an otherwise healthy person. In any case, unless I have made a gross error in my math, I would say the doses given in that study were way over any therapeutic dose and I would not draw a parallel between the damage caused by the dose in the study and the typical dose of 1-2 grams a day. But then again, that is just my opinion. Chris In a message dated 3/10/2005 1:09:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, alonmarcus writes: Well, OK. I personally wouldn't consider 9g of EPA by itself to be a reasonable amount, but I guess it will suppress NKC at those levels. >>>>They probably reported on EPA but for sure it had DHA as well as other fatty acids with it. I would be to costly to have only EPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 That would be great Thanks,. Chris In a message dated 3/10/2005 12:08:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, jilllikkel writes: Chris, The study reference I found said nine capsules of oil with EPA not 9 grams of EPA. i don't know how much they put in the capsule. When I find the original study I will post it. Jill Likkel Jude, EPA = Eicosapentanoic Acid DHA = DocasaHexanoic acid NKC= Natural Killer Cells Sorry about that it is just easier to type and I don't have to look up the spelling Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Chris you are reacting to the one study jill quoted, but according to my conversation it may actually occur in much lower doses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 , Musiclear@a... wrote: > > That may very well be true. If so, then we are talking about a lot of > oil. > > In the bottle of Carlson fish oil I have here, there is 460mg of EPA per > teaspoon. In order to get 9grams of EPA, a person would have to ingest 19.5 > teaspoons of fish oil. Chris, The study reference I found said nine capsules of oil with EPA not 9 grams of EPA. i don't know how much they put in the capsule. When I find the original study I will post it. Jill Likkel Jude, EPA = Eicosapentanoic Acid DHA = DocasaHexanoic acid NKC= Natural Killer Cells Sorry about that it is just easier to type and I don't have to look up the spelling Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 On Mar 10, 2005, at 9:57 AM, Jill A. Likkel wrote: > Jude, > EPA = Eicosapentanoic Acid DHA = DocasaHexanoic acid > NKC= Natural Killer Cells Sorry about that it is just easier to > type and I don't have to look up the spelling > Jill Thanks Jill. My husband keeps teasing me about being TLA (three letter acronym) challenged. ;-) -judy saxe -- http://www.QingTingAcupuncture.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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