Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 > > [zrosenbe] > Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:42 PM > > Re: Re: cause and effect > > > I don't know that anyone disagrees with you on this, I certainly don't. > The map is not the terrain, and no map can cover all the terrain in > its detail. We use our maps to navigate the body, and different > perspectives are helpful. > > As far as jing problems go, I have a few questions. > > 1) Are you implying that a disease with a genetic component > automatically cannot be generated by other factors as well? > > 2) Does a genetic defect or predisposition mean that the patient > automatically gets the disease? > > 3) What percentage of cancers has been determined to be only > genetically determined? I think it is very small. [Jason] I think Z'ev comments / questions are important and I wait some comments and answers... I think in many chronic diseases there are some genetic pre-disposition, but there are other factors that can be reversed or altered to produce healing... But let us take this out of the abstract... I do agree generally speaking with Todd's critique of CM (as well as WM) for actually curing chronic diseases... I have the same questions... can pathological measurable changes on a deep level change with CM... But two instances of real change that come to mind for me are 1) Osteopenia / porosis and 2) Infertility / Sperm motility, malformation etc... Both I would consider deep kidney issues, if not Jing... But both can change with CM... I have seen the later, and the former is reported in reputable Chinese Journals to be true. Comments? - > > > On Mar 29, 2005, at 10:09 AM, wrote: > > > > > My point is that many such illnesses may turn out be jing problems and > > thus are the cause > > of syndromes, not caused by them. This is TCM, so what's anyone's > > problem with this > > idea. Professional hubris perhaps. We can do abdominal surgery with > > TCM, so what of we > > also can't do gene therapy. A holistic medicine embraces both the > > forest AND the trees. > > One who thinks its all about the forest is missing half the picture. > > Sometimes the solution > > is in stepping back and looking at the big picture and sometimes the > > devil is in the details. > > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including > board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Actually, I was originally talking about pathomechanisms in this discussion. Z'ev On Mar 30, 2005, at 5:45 AM, wrote: > I Apologize I got some msg.'s mixed up... I see Z'ev is not talking > about > pathomechanisms (below)... So I agree with alon, disease causes are > seemingly simplified.... But my statements stand for whatever they are > worth... > > -Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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