Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 http://www.foresight.org/EOC/EOC_Chapter_8.html This addresses the very important ethical concerns raised by nanotech. While Z'ev is right that misuse of things like antibiotics have created a very serious problem. there are few who believe (and none who could scientifically justify) that we would be better off without them. Now the problem is apparent and perhaps in time to prevent the worst catastrophe. However I would point out that nanomedicine would moot the issue because bacteria cannot become resistant to nanotechnology. In other words, nanomedicine may be the only thing that gets out of the current pickle. As an aside, since I firmly believe history shows us that technology has ended many contentious debates, I would suggest that nanomedicine has the potential to resolve the single most critical ethical issue, abortion. I say the most critical because it drive american politics and has been a major factor that has led to the current state of affairs (and affairs of state). But consider a world where any fetus no matter how undeveloped could be removed from the womb and brought to term in a lab. In that scenario, the one currency the so-called pro-lifers have is gone. there is no murder (as they see it). While there will be a shifting of strategies at that time to focus on the inhumanity of such a thing, the recent schaivo case shows us that the public is not near as extremist as the culture of life crowd. And when death is eliminated from the abortion equation, those who oppose it will dwindle to a handful. this alone would be sufficient reason to encourage advance in WM. Because if anyone thinks this debate will ever be resolved by words alone, you are quite insane. And thus we pave a path of destruction far more perilous than any the world of nanotech might yield, IMO. We already posses the power to destroy the world many times over, but as Einstein said, to paraphrase, it is our morals that are the real problem. But morals don't seem to evolve until dramtic changes force the issue. So we will remain a society of vengeance and irrationality until the debates are actually transcended since they will never be settled otherwise. As holistic healthcare providers, we have a duty to explore and understand all means of healing our very damaged world. The more we accept the inevitabiltiy of these changes and plan with foresight, we can move into a world that is close to utopia as possible. And don't despair, all the naomed folks seem really into nutrition and exercise, etc. They understand that nanomede has limits. It will not compensate for poor diet or cure all mental problems. Our patients will still have syndromes and they will still want to have them treated noniatrogenically. Perhaps some of you will be bored to be a mere first aid kit, but others who got into it all for caring and compassion will find life even more satisfying because your patients will never sicken and die prematurely. Our role will really be tuneups and balance. Ironically, those who think this is what CM currently is may finally get to realize their romantic dreams. In a perfectly healthy body, healers and patients who believe in spirit can devote their full attention to this matter. We all get to have our cake and eat it too. Chinese Herbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 The nano-nerds and the pharmo-nerds have no idea ... only their own illusions. Most of the cells in our body are not our own, nor are they even human. They are bacterial. From the invisible strands of fungi waiting to sprout between our toes, to the kilogram of bacterial matter in our guts, we are best viewed as walking " superorganisms, " highly complex conglomerations of human cells, bacteria, fungi and viruses. More than 500 different species of bacteria exist in our bodies, making up more than 100 trillion cells. Because our bodies are made of only some several trillion human cells, we are somewhat outnumbered by the aliens. It follows that most of the genes in our bodies are from bacteria, too. http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65252,00.html When these nerds who by their own estimates kill over 100,000 peeople every year that are under their direct supervision (JAMA) now just wait till till they probe your behind! IMHO, each of these 500+ species are each affected by Cold, Heat, Damp, and Wind and morph (pleomorphism http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm ) into " diseaes " . And when the nano-pharmo nerds screw up TCM will still be here to clean up their mess. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2005 Report Share Posted April 21, 2005 Ed, I actually agree with both what you said here and Todd's basic position. Here are my predictions - the nano-nerds will do stupid things with their reductionist ideas of things, and they will indeed have to come running to us to pick up the pieces. Very quickly they will adopt a similarly inductive-sythetic " fuzzy logic " approach that TCM does so well, having no choice but to learn from us about how to look at the body/mind in a more Integral way. Once they have learned how to do this, taking all the important factors into account and thinking about them in a smarter way, these technologies will be able to flourish and do some amazing things for us. Kind of ironic, that the keys to the future will be from our distant past... , " Ed Kasper LAc " <eddy@h...> wrote: > The nano-nerds and the pharmo-nerds have no idea ... only > their own illusions. > Most of the cells in our body are not our own, nor are they > even human. They are bacterial. From the invisible strands > of fungi waiting to sprout between our toes, to the kilogram > of bacterial matter in our guts, we are best viewed as > walking " superorganisms, " highly complex conglomerations of > human cells, bacteria, fungi and viruses. > > More than 500 different species of bacteria exist in our > bodies, making up more than 100 trillion cells. Because our > bodies are made of only some several trillion human cells, > we are somewhat outnumbered by the aliens. It follows that > most of the genes in our bodies are from bacteria, too. > http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65252,00.html > > When these nerds who by their own estimates kill over > 100,000 peeople every year that are under their direct > supervision (JAMA) now just wait till till they probe your > behind! > > IMHO, each of these 500+ species are each affected by Cold, > Heat, Damp, and Wind and morph (pleomorphism > http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm ) into " diseaes " . And > when the nano-pharmo nerds screw up TCM will still be here > to clean up their mess. > > Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist > Acupuncture is a jab well done > www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Lionel well said. I would just edit your remarks (so boldly) to change " for us " to " to us " . Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA. " " <lionel.chan <<snipped>>...these technologies will be able to flourish and do some amazing things for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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