preserving essence now low sperm count

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

 

I'm about to treat a patient who has been medically diagnosed with a low sperm

count. Has anyone treated this successfully, and if so, how? I haven't yet

seen him, so I don't have a case history yet. All I know is that he and his

wife have been trying to have a baby, and this is why the MDs say they aren't

getting pregnant.

 

Thank you for your help,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Andrea Beth

 

Low sperm count can generally be assisted quite successfully with

chinese medicine. I suggest you consult Jane Lyttleyon's book on

infertility for the standard protocols.

 

Will Maclean

[Guest guest]

Hi Andrea,

there have been several studies on the treatment on infertilitiy in men. I

think there is some information in one of the abstracts in the JCM , Brighton,

England.

There also has been a study some years ago done by the University in

Heidelberg, germany.I follow there choice of points and frequency in treatments

a

great deal. I was and am always surprised how succesfull the treatment is.

Treatment once a week over a period of 12 weeks.

Points include St 28, Sp 6, Ki7 and 3. I support the treatment as a rule by

giving decotions in relation to the individual constitution of the patient. So

far this year 3 couples have so achieved pregnancy., after having had several

IXCY treatments without success.

Good luck

barbara Kirschbaum

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Andrea -

 

I suggest you look at:

 

1. A Handbook of TCM Urology & Male Sexual Dysfunction by Anna

Lin (Blue Poppy Press)

Possibly out of print (Bob?) but some good pattern

differentiation and formula recommendation

2. Acupuncture and IVF by Lifang Liang (BLue Poppy PRess) -

Although mostly about IVF and the treatment of

women, a good chapter on men as well

3. Treatment of Infertility w/ CM by Jane Lyttleton (Churchill

Livingstone)

Again, mostly about women but a good chapter on

men and some recommendation for low sperm count - including nutritional

supplements.

 

I have found that simply taking Zinc supplements is one of the most

effective and useful things to be done for low sperm count. But remember,

it takes 2 - 3 months for sperm to fully mature so treatment should last

about 6 months.

 

Marnae

 

At 03:32 PM 4/25/2005, you wrote:

 

 

 

>Hi Everyone,

>

>I'm about to treat a patient who has been medically diagnosed with a low

>sperm count. Has anyone treated this successfully, and if so, how? I

>haven't yet seen him, so I don't have a case history yet. All I know is

>that he and his wife have been trying to have a baby, and this is why the

>MDs say they aren't getting pregnant.

>

>Thank you for your help,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

H i Will,

 

Thank you for the suggestion. I have another book of hers and I like it quite a

bit. What is the title of this one, and do you know where I can get it?

 

 

 

Will Maclean <wbm40 wrote:

 

Hi Andrea Beth

 

Low sperm count can generally be assisted quite successfully with

chinese medicine. I suggest you consult Jane Lyttleyon's book on

infertility for the standard protocols.

 

Will Maclean

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board

approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free

discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Barbara. I hadn't heard there were studied on treating male

infertility - good to know these studies are being done. I will look them up.

 

 

 

BKirschb wrote:

 

Hi Andrea,

there have been several studies on the treatment on infertilitiy in men. I

think there is some information in one of the abstracts in the JCM , Brighton,

England.

There also has been a study some years ago done by the University in

Heidelberg, germany.I follow there choice of points and frequency in treatments

a

great deal. I was and am always surprised how succesfull the treatment is.

Treatment once a week over a period of 12 weeks.

Points include St 28, Sp 6, Ki7 and 3. I support the treatment as a rule by

giving decotions in relation to the individual constitution of the patient. So

far this year 3 couples have so achieved pregnancy., after having had several

IXCY treatments without success.

Good luck

barbara Kirschbaum

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Marnae,

 

Great input about considering the maturation process for sperm. Thank you so

much!

 

 

 

Marnae Ergil <marnae wrote:

Andrea -

 

I suggest you look at:

 

1. A Handbook of TCM Urology & Male Sexual Dysfunction by Anna

Lin (Blue Poppy Press)

Possibly out of print (Bob?) but some good pattern

differentiation and formula recommendation

2. Acupuncture and IVF by Lifang Liang (BLue Poppy PRess) -

Although mostly about IVF and the treatment of

women, a good chapter on men as well

3. Treatment of Infertility w/ CM by Jane Lyttleton (Churchill

Livingstone)

Again, mostly about women but a good chapter on

men and some recommendation for low sperm count - including nutritional

supplements.

 

I have found that simply taking Zinc supplements is one of the most

effective and useful things to be done for low sperm count. But remember,

it takes 2 - 3 months for sperm to fully mature so treatment should last

about 6 months.

 

Marnae

 

At 03:32 PM 4/25/2005, you wrote:

 

 

 

>Hi Everyone,

>

>I'm about to treat a patient who has been medically diagnosed with a low

>sperm count. Has anyone treated this successfully, and if so, how? I

>haven't yet seen him, so I don't have a case history yet. All I know is

>that he and his wife have been trying to have a baby, and this is why the

>MDs say they aren't getting pregnant.

>

>Thank you for your help,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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wrote:

> Hi Marnae,

>

> Great input about considering the maturation process for sperm. Thank you so

much!

>

> Andrea Beth Dams

 

 

Interesting speculation indeed. but the lack of evidence to support adverse

health effects

is overwhelming. This concept clearly has so many layers of cultural baggage,

it is next to

worthless. there is no agreement on what constitutes too much sex anyway, so no

way to

give clinical advice on this matter even if it were medically reasonable. The

completely

erroneous premise here is that cell division is a zero sum game. If you do more

meiosis

(produce more sperm), you do less mitosis (make somatic cells). However this is

just not

true. One has no effect on the other as far as long term health is concerned.

Male

laboratory animals who are allowed to mate and reproduce frequently experience

no

adverse health effects. In fact, the reverse it true. I think the facts are

being fudged to fit

an a priori assumption here. Why not assume the matter is unproven and actually

produce

some evidence to support one's case. I came to my hypothesis after the

preponderance of

evidence seemed to contradict what I had long accepted as dogma. No mental

machinations will convince me otherwise. for those of us who are proponents of

integrative medicine rather than TCM, per se, we must be willing to dispense

with bogus

ideas. We don't prescribe used menstrual rags or hangmen's nooses anymore.

There is

no gospel. Just ideas which must withstand scrutiny and the test of empiricism,

IMO.

 

[Guest guest]

for those of us who are proponents of

integrative medicine rather than TCM, per se, we must be willing to dispense

with bogus

ideas. We don't prescribe used menstrual rags or hangmen's nooses anymore.

There is

no gospel. Just ideas which must withstand scrutiny and the test of empiricism,

IMO.

>>>>

Amen

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

CM is and has always

shined because of its non-reductionistic-individualized approach

>>>>

Jason, while I agree that individuation is the strength of CM, at the same time

we must always remember that a clinical impression does not support anything.

Just working with a patient, regardless of advice or intervention, helps the

majority of patients. Also, it is well known that patients often exaggerate

positive results from treatments when they like their practitioner. This has

been clearly shown in good studies. So if we are to take sexual advise as an

example, only larger population studies can elucidate the true effects.I have

seen patients convinced, after therapeutic interactions, that certain foods,

exercises, sleep patterns, religious beliefs, etc., give them symptoms to only

be proven to be incorrect with time and/or (in the case of foods) blind

challenges.

At the same time, anyone sensitive the effects of adrenaline would feel drained

after sex (or exercise etc), but that does not mean they will be harmed by

it.Some patients however may have increased cortisol levels, secondary to

cortical stimulation, and may suffer from catabolism (which is very similar to

Jing def and damage).

Again, however, only larger population studies can truly elucidate this and

other such issues and this is were i think Todd is coming from.We cant relay on

so-called tradition or our own clinical self reinforcing observations. We must

inject a more objective aspect to study such issues. Clinically, at these point,

i still use these ideas every day but with a great deal of open minded

skepticism.

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Andrea

 

Janes Lyttletons book is titled 'Treatment of Infertility " and is

published by Elsevier.

 

Will Maclean

[Guest guest]

, " Will Maclean " <wbm40>

wrote:

> Andrea

>

> Janes Lyttletons book is titled 'Treatment of Infertility " and is

> published by Elsevier.

>

> Will Maclean

 

Hi Will my copy is published by Churchill Livinstone. Is it different

in US?

Sue

[Guest guest]

I believe Elsevier, Churchill Livingston and Donica are all the same company at

this point.

doug

 

, " suecochrane36 " <suecochrane@b...>

wrote:

> , " Will Maclean " <wbm40>

> wrote:

> > Andrea

> >

> > Janes Lyttletons book is titled 'Treatment of Infertility " and is

> > published by Elsevier.

> >

> > Will Maclean

>

> Hi Will my copy is published by Churchill Livinstone. Is it different

> in US?

> Sue

[Guest guest]

If it's science press Elsevire owns it, they aren't just text books either,

they own a tremendous number of journals now as well. This should probably

be raising alarm bells with the same people who worry about media

concentration but TV seems like a bigger issue.

-

" "

 

Sunday, May 08, 2005 7:26 PM

Re: preserving essence now low sperm count

 

 

>I believe Elsevier, Churchill Livingston and Donica are all the same

>company at this point.

> doug

>

> , " suecochrane36 "

> <suecochrane@b...>

> wrote:

>> , " Will Maclean " <wbm40>

>> wrote:

>> > Andrea

>> >

>> > Janes Lyttletons book is titled 'Treatment of Infertility " and is

>> > published by Elsevier.

>> >

>> > Will Maclean

>>

>> Hi Will my copy is published by Churchill Livinstone. Is it different

>> in US?

>> Sue

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> free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

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