Internal Wind, phlegm heat, and blood stagnation filling vacuum engengered by deficiency

[Guest guest]

Alon and all,

 

This is a very important personal issue for me, because of my wife. The

pathogenesis of Yin and Blood deficiency creating a void which then is

filled in with wind (as manifested in muscle spasms and twitching) and

phlegm heat (seizures) really hits home. I can clearly see that cause

and effect relationship with her. Yet, the delicate balance of

supplementing yin and blood without creating stagnation has been a

daunting and frustrating task, which has continued to stump my mentors.

(Forgive me for not continuing to post the weekly progress, but my time

has not allowed for it.) One different approach Ed Kasper had suggested

was to address the stagnation first by taking a very large dose of Da

Huang powder. We actually did that the past two weeks, increasing the

dose to 6g/day, to prevent accumulation, and though it did reduce the

internal heat somewhat, it did nothing for the phlegm, and yesterday she

had 5 seizures, during which massive amounts of thick, clear, almost

gummy phlegm drooled from her mouth and could be heard in her breathing.

Yes, the Da huang addresses one element, heat, and yes the FSR does

definitely calm her shen and settle the wind, but little has helped to

resolve the phlegm (refer to the 14 posts on the formulas prescribed over

the past 3 months).

 

Could we also not contend that this is an application of the principle we

find with necrotic tissue, that the space will always will always be

filled in by bacteria?

 

 

Yehuda

 

On Wed, 4 May 2005 11:35:01 -0500 " " <alonmarcus

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> So rather than thinking about the wind " filling "

> the emptiness,

> >>>>>>There have been others (Chinese articles) that have used the

> image of evils " filling " so-called empty spaces caused by deficiency

> in general. I have seen this regarding phlegm and blood stasis.

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> Oakland, CA 94609

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[Guest guest]

Yehuda

There has obviously been many CM thinkers that have used this image and as you

state it probably makes some sense. I just cant stand the arrogant attitude some

have based on a " Correct Way " of what is so called true and not true CM. It is

very ironic that on the one hand Bob (and others) have access to original

materials which is vast and on the other hand he/they decide one perspective (or

statement) is uninformed. I guess the ego is live and well if one speaks and

reads Chinese or not. What did Scheid say, so-called professional State Chinese

med teaches only 7 out of more than 100 diagnostic systems used by doctors in

China.

As to clinical approaches for your dilemma, i have studies with various teachers

that would approach it vary differently from attacking evil (purging school) to

those that would say that right qi and evil are mixed and therefore one should

treat both at the same time, to those that would say it would be very important

to use mild and neutral tonification for prolonged period to recover right qi

without supporting evil or damaging right qi.

That is why we need more science injected into our medicine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alon, I agree all the way until your conclusion... where

does " science " have to do with any of the treatment

methodologies that should be weighted?

I believe it is a vacuum that has been created by excess and

that it is an excess that has to be treated.

 

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist

Acupuncture is a jab well done

www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA.

 

 

 

 

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Sun, 8 May 2005 13:08:14 -0500

" " <alonmarcus

Re: Internal Wind, phlegm heat, and blood

stagnation filling vacuum engengered by deficiency

 

Yehuda

There has obviously been many CM thinkers that have used

this image and as you state it probably makes some sense. I

just cant stand the arrogant attitude some have based on a

" Correct Way " of what is so called true and not true CM. It

is very ironic that on the one hand Bob (and others) have

access to original materials which is vast and on the other

hand he/they decide one perspective (or statement) is

uninformed. I guess the ego is live and well if one speaks

and reads Chinese or not. What did Scheid say, so-called

professional State Chinese med teaches only 7 out of more

than 100 diagnostic systems used by doctors in China.

As to clinical approaches for your dilemma, i have studies

with various teachers that would approach it vary

differently from attacking evil (purging school) to those

that would say that right qi and evil are mixed and

therefore one should treat both at the same time, to those

that would say it would be very important to use mild and

neutral tonification for prolonged period to recover right

qi without supporting evil or damaging right qi.

That is why we need more science injected into our medicine.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I believe it is a vacuum that has been created by excess and

that it is an excess that has to be treated.

>>>I have no opinion as to your opinion, it is however only an opinion without

more science

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609