vinegar

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Hi Cara, Ed and Par,

 

I like the ideas of considering modified substitutes for alcohol.

Consider also, that there are different vinegars that have different

properties as well: Umeboshi plum vinegar is more salty, apple cider

vinegar is more sour and rice vinegar is more sweet. I suspect that wine

vinegar would be more warming.

 

Yehuda

 

On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:26:39 -0400 Cara Frank <herbbabe

writes:

> The problem is that vinegar is sour: it has a totally different

> action than

> alcohol, which is acrid and moving.

> this is just an idea, but if you couldn¹t use alcohol, then maybe

> focus on

> acrid warm herbs: gui zhi, xi xin

>

> Cara

>

>

>

>

> > Hi Ed,

> > I think it would be an interesting substitution. I was thumbing

> through the

> > new Jiao Shu De formulas book and he was talking about vinegar as

> a

> > substitute for bai jiu (rice wine) in various internal formulas,

> which I had

> > never thought about before. Does anybody on the list do this?

> Some of the

> > die da formulas recommend taking with a dose of alcohol, would

> this work as

> > a substitution generally?

> >

> > Par

> > -

> > " Ed Kasper LAc " <eddy

> >

> > Monday, May 16, 2005 2:12 PM

> > RE: shaolin die da

> >

> >

> >> >I use vinegar as a solvent which is cooler than alcohol, and

> >> > has health benefits as well. Problems are short shelf life

> >> > and not industry standards for liability issues therefore

> >> > not recommended for large scale commercial use but superior

> >> > for in house clinical use. I make my own distilled vinegar

> >> > from kombucha mushroom tea with a lower acetic acid and

> >> > higher gluconic and other beneficial acids. The kombucha

> >> > vinegar itself works well for topical application. For

> >> > instance I've used it regularly on my dogs Hot Spots he used

> >> > to get every summer (from fleas and allergies). There would

> >> > be a slight initial sting and settle in and freely allow

> >> > more to be applied. Try that with alcohol and they're gone.

> >> > Plus the intense itching would be immediately gone and the

> >> > skin would begin to heal right away. Vinegar has

> >> > respectable references as a herbal solvent in TCM as well as

> >> > American and European herbalism and noted applicable

> >> > medicinal qualities.

> >> >

> >> > Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist

> >> > Acupuncture is a jab well done

> >> > www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Sun, 15 May 2005 08:49:35 -0400

> >> > " Par Scott " <parufus

> >> > Re: shaolin die da

> >> >

> >> > I don't see alcohol as cooling. It's internal function is

> >> > definitely

> >> > warming, it is moving and acrid... oil extraction is more

> >> > problematic, and

> >> > while I do make salves they are for skin problems where

> >> > nourishing is more

> >> > of an issue. I made an alcohol based treatment for damp

> >> > heat itching

> >> > recently which has been working pretty well for the patient,

> >> > go figure. I

> >> > think as long as you use a solvent that will extract what

> >> > you want from the

> >> > medicinals and something in the oil as a barrier crossing

> >> > agent (like bing

> >> > pian, et al) your probably fine.

> >> >

> >> > Par

> >> >

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> >> >

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