Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 AS it reads in page in 854 from Chen & Chen MM, Jiao GU Lan " has been associated with potential side effects such as fatigue, lack of energy, dizziness, chest congestion, mild fever, sore throat, rash, increased heartbeat and increased perspiration rate " . It may also cause drowsiness and sedation. Some of this seem strange for a cold tonic. Any input? Ferran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Assuming a sweet nature you could attribute some fx to damp accumulation due to misuse where the spleen fails to absorb and distribute it (fatigue, chest congestion, dizziness, sedation), and others to blood vacuity failing to secure a bolus of qi as it is introduced into the system, which could produce mild wind Sx as in blood vacuity wind, fever, as in dang gui bu xue tang's sx pattern, and perspiration from unsecured qi rushing to the surface of the body. I don't know if you could explain all those Sx at the same time, since I think you'd have to absorb something to distribute it for there to be an over-supplementing effect... oh well. Par - " Enzo Blasco " <zoilander Monday, May 30, 2005 5:26 PM Gynostemma Contraindications > AS it reads in page in 854 from Chen & Chen MM, Jiao GU Lan " has been > associated with potential side effects such as fatigue, lack of energy, > dizziness, chest congestion, mild fever, sore throat, rash, increased > heartbeat and increased perspiration rate " . It may also cause drowsiness > and sedation. > > Some of this seem strange for a cold tonic. Any input? > > Ferran > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including > board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 " AS it reads in page in 854 from Chen & Chen MM, Jiao GU Lan " has been > associated with potential side effects such as fatigue, lack of energy, dizziness, chest congestion, mild fever, sore throat, rash, increased heartbeat and increased perspiration rate " . It may also cause drowsiness and sedation. " Some of this seem strange for a cold tonic. Any input? " Ferran, Yea, as I said, I don't think this med is a qi supplement. Not every person, even Chinese persons, get their medicinal descriptions correct when trying to describe a " new " medicinal. There are all different levels of intelligence, training, and experience. This is yet another example of why no single source is ever adequate. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 In that light, Bob, How do you feel about rhodiola rosea/hong jing tian being described as a qi supplementing medicinal? On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Bob Flaws wrote: > Yea, as I said, I don't think this med is a qi supplement. Not every > person, even Chinese persons, get their medicinal descriptions correct > when trying to describe a " new " medicinal. There are all different > levels of intelligence, training, and experience. This is yet another > example of why no single source is ever adequate. > > Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 " In that light, Bob, how do you feel about rhodiola rosea/hong jing tian being described as a qi supplementing medicinal? " Z'ev, I think Hong Jing Tian is another example of a relatively " new, " currently popular CM medicinal whose final CM description is yet to be agreed upon. From my looking at all the information I have seen on Hong Jing Tian, Chinese, Tibetan, Russian, etc., I would provisionally describe this medicinal as a qi and yin supplement which also clears vacuity heat of the lungs and stomach, similar to Bei and Nan Sha Shen. The authors of the Zhong Yao Da Cian Dian to the contrary, I don't believe that Hong Jing Tian quickens the blood, at least not when taken internally. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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