Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I am wondering if anyone has had successful experience treating parkinson's. I'll break this down into three questions: 1. Anyone have experience with the protocol at pdrecovery.org? 2. Anyone know of any in-depth or even residential treatment program? 3. Anyone have their own experience with acupuncture or Chinese herbs? Thanks so much Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Hi Sharon, As you may have followed over the past few months, though not Parkinson's, my wife suffers from a related syndrome within the Parkinsonism family, along with an atypical seizure disorder. We experienced first hand the pdrecovery protocol and feel that it definitely has merit. My wife was treated over the course of 4 days by 5 members of their team in Santa Cruz. However, they do not accept patients that are taking conventional Western meds, as they explain on their site. Fortunately, my wife is pan-allergic to Western pharmaceuticals and they felt she would be a daunting challenge, although the pattern of her pathogenesis is not typical. She has suffered from Parkinsonian symptoms since '94. We have been treating with Chinese herbs since 2000. Any therapeutic acupuncture intervention has not been productive, and particularly with scalp acupuncture, exascerbated symptoms, paradoxically and brought on seizures. Herbs, however, have been helpful, based upon pattern discrimination. My wife tends to be yin and blood deficient, with phlegm heat accumulation and liver wind, but as her symptoms constantly change, we change her formula nearly weekly. The good news is that she is EXTREMELY responsive to herbs, changes in the formulae and changes in dosages. It really is a matter of precise fine tuning. I would be delighted to answer any other questions you have. I continue to integrate these two approaches: Yin tuina to address the bioelectrical imbalance, and herbs to address the biochemical imbalance. Best of Luck, Yehuda - " sharon weizenbaum " <sweiz Sunday, June 12, 2005 7:26 AM parkinson's treatment? >I am wondering if anyone has had successful experience treating > parkinson's. I'll break this down into three questions: > > 1. Anyone have experience with the protocol at pdrecovery.org? > 2. Anyone know of any in-depth or even residential treatment program? > 3. Anyone have their own experience with acupuncture or Chinese herbs? > > Thanks so much > > Sharon > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including > board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Hi Sharon, that is an interesting web-site. An interesting protocol. The warnings about treatment of patients on meds is disconcerting. Everyone I have ever treated takes meds. I have treated a number of people with Parkinson's and nonparkinsons tremors. What I have found time and time again is that scalp acupuncture works best for controlling tremors. I always treat the du mo as well. Herbs are most helpful for spasms and rigidity: I focus on liver wind and blood most of the time: shao yao gan cao tang, mu gua, channel moving vines, and also scorpions and centipedes. I would like to hear about your experiences. Cara > I am wondering if anyone has had successful experience treating > parkinson's. I'll break this down into three questions: > > 1. Anyone have experience with the protocol at pdrecovery.org? > 2. Anyone know of any in-depth or even residential treatment program? > 3. Anyone have their own experience with acupuncture or Chinese herbs? > > Thanks so much > > Sharon > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board > approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free > discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Hi all, Cara, I also have had the experience of treating the syndrome with scalp acupuncture and found that to be the most important choice of points. The illness is very powerful. In several patients the acupuncture would manage to reduce or even stop the tremors entirely (with lasting effects, sometimes for a couple of days or even more...but then it would come back) Overall I feel that one can postpone the speed of progression of the disease and help the spirit of the person in a profound way. I found, however that I could not stop or reverse it - inspite of yin tonification and internal wind clearing herbal prescriptions and the acupuncture only delay. One Chinese practitioner gave me her prescription which was mostly Ht1 and Ht 3, ipsilaterally. She told me she had great success with that prescription. My patients seemed tp benefit from those. I also use GV 20 and the four points surrounding it (according to Tibetan medicine - they use gold needles) to subdue internal wind. I am still looking - there must be more we can do. Such suffering. All of my current patients with PD are currently using allopathic medicine at the same time. The Best effect of any other (alternative) medication I have found out about was an extract from Lima beans made into a paste by a British doctor. I'd love to hear other peoples experiences. thank you Best, Verena - " Cara Frank " <herbbabe Friday, June 17, 2005 9:22 AM Re: Parkinson's treatment? > Hi Sharon, > that is an interesting web-site. An interesting protocol. The warnings > about treatment of patients on meds is disconcerting. Everyone I have ever > treated takes meds. > > I have treated a number of people with Parkinson's and nonparkinsons > tremors. What I have found time and time again is that scalp acupuncture > works best for controlling tremors. I always treat the du mo as well. > Herbs are most helpful for spasms and rigidity: I focus on liver wind and > blood most of the time: shao yao gan cao tang, mu gua, channel moving > vines, > and also scorpions and centipedes. > > I would like to hear about your experiences. > Cara > > >> I am wondering if anyone has had successful experience treating >> parkinson's. I'll break this down into three questions: >> >> 1. Anyone have experience with the protocol at pdrecovery.org? >> 2. Anyone know of any in-depth or even residential treatment program? >> 3. Anyone have their own experience with acupuncture or Chinese herbs? >> >> Thanks so much >> >> Sharon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including >> board >> approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free >> discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Thanks verena, that reminds me of Dr So¹s special point for tremors: 2 divisions below ht 3. I forgot to mention that one. I agree: tremors can be reduced over all. The progression slowed. And certain quality of life aspects are improved: being able to use a fork or drink from a cup. Being able to put a key in a lock. Tasks involving finer motor skills. when you say lime beans, so you mean FAVA beans? Favas are a source of dopamine. I can try to get back with a source for you on that. Cara > Hi all, > Cara, I also have had the experience of treating the syndrome with scalp > acupuncture and found that to be the most important choice of points. > The illness is very powerful. In several patients the acupuncture would > manage to reduce or even stop the tremors entirely (with lasting effects, > sometimes for a couple of days or even more...but then it would come back) > Overall I feel that one can postpone the speed of progression of the disease > and help the spirit of the person in a profound way. > I found, however that I could not stop or reverse it - inspite of yin > tonification and internal wind clearing > herbal prescriptions and the acupuncture only delay. > One Chinese practitioner gave me her prescription which was mostly Ht1 and > Ht 3, ipsilaterally. She told me she had great success with that > prescription. > My patients seemed tp benefit from those. > I also use GV 20 and the four points surrounding it (according to Tibetan > medicine - they use gold needles) to subdue internal wind. > > I am still looking - there must be more we can do. Such suffering. > All of my current patients with PD are currently using allopathic medicine > at the same time. > The Best effect of any other (alternative) medication I have found out > about was an extract from Lima beans made into a paste by a British doctor. > > I'd love to hear other peoples experiences. > thank you > Best, > Verena > > > > - > " Cara Frank " <herbbabe > > Friday, June 17, 2005 9:22 AM > Re: Parkinson's treatment? > > >> > Hi Sharon, >> > that is an interesting web-site. An interesting protocol. The warnings >> > about treatment of patients on meds is disconcerting. Everyone I have ever >> > treated takes meds. >> > >> > I have treated a number of people with Parkinson's and nonparkinsons >> > tremors. What I have found time and time again is that scalp acupuncture >> > works best for controlling tremors. I always treat the du mo as well. >> > Herbs are most helpful for spasms and rigidity: I focus on liver wind and >> > blood most of the time: shao yao gan cao tang, mu gua, channel moving >> > vines, >> > and also scorpions and centipedes. >> > >> > I would like to hear about your experiences. >> > Cara >> > >> > >>> >> I am wondering if anyone has had successful experience treating >>> >> parkinson's. I'll break this down into three questions: >>> >> >>> >> 1. Anyone have experience with the protocol at pdrecovery.org? >>> >> 2. Anyone know of any in-depth or even residential treatment program? >>> >> 3. Anyone have their own experience with acupuncture or Chinese herbs? >>> >> >>> >> Thanks so much >>> >> >>> >> Sharon >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including >>> >> board >>> >> approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free >>> >> discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Hi Cara, yes Lima beans is my other European name for Fava beans; sorry (and typo on top..!) The source was this eccentric man in the UK who kept changing his whereabouts (as if scared of FDA) I'd like your source. My patient had responded well to the paste. Dr. So did not have Ht 1 in his tremor protocol? I never knew the souce of the HT3, Ht1 point combination beyond the practitioner who gave it to me. best Verena best Verena - " Cara Frank " <herbbabe Saturday, June 18, 2005 7:08 AM Re: Parkinson's treatment? Thanks verena, that reminds me of Dr So¹s special point for tremors: 2 divisions below ht 3. I forgot to mention that one. I agree: tremors can be reduced over all. The progression slowed. And certain quality of life aspects are improved: being able to use a fork or drink from a cup. Being able to put a key in a lock. Tasks involving finer motor skills. when you say lime beans, so you mean FAVA beans? Favas are a source of dopamine. I can try to get back with a source for you on that. Cara > Hi all, > Cara, I also have had the experience of treating the syndrome with scalp > acupuncture and found that to be the most important choice of points. > The illness is very powerful. In several patients the acupuncture would > manage to reduce or even stop the tremors entirely (with lasting effects, > sometimes for a couple of days or even more...but then it would come back) > Overall I feel that one can postpone the speed of progression of the > disease > and help the spirit of the person in a profound way. > I found, however that I could not stop or reverse it - inspite of yin > tonification and internal wind clearing > herbal prescriptions and the acupuncture only delay. > One Chinese practitioner gave me her prescription which was mostly Ht1 and > Ht 3, ipsilaterally. She told me she had great success with that > prescription. > My patients seemed tp benefit from those. > I also use GV 20 and the four points surrounding it (according to Tibetan > medicine - they use gold needles) to subdue internal wind. > > I am still looking - there must be more we can do. Such suffering. > All of my current patients with PD are currently using allopathic medicine > at the same time. > The Best effect of any other (alternative) medication I have found out > about was an extract from Lima beans made into a paste by a British > doctor. > > I'd love to hear other peoples experiences. > thank you > Best, > Verena > > > > - > " Cara Frank " <herbbabe > > Friday, June 17, 2005 9:22 AM > Re: Parkinson's treatment? > > >> > Hi Sharon, >> > that is an interesting web-site. An interesting protocol. The warnings >> > about treatment of patients on meds is disconcerting. Everyone I have >> > ever >> > treated takes meds. >> > >> > I have treated a number of people with Parkinson's and nonparkinsons >> > tremors. What I have found time and time again is that scalp >> > acupuncture >> > works best for controlling tremors. I always treat the du mo as well. >> > Herbs are most helpful for spasms and rigidity: I focus on liver wind >> > and >> > blood most of the time: shao yao gan cao tang, mu gua, channel moving >> > vines, >> > and also scorpions and centipedes. >> > >> > I would like to hear about your experiences. >> > Cara >> > >> > >>> >> I am wondering if anyone has had successful experience treating >>> >> parkinson's. I'll break this down into three questions: >>> >> >>> >> 1. Anyone have experience with the protocol at pdrecovery.org? >>> >> 2. Anyone know of any in-depth or even residential treatment program? >>> >> 3. Anyone have their own experience with acupuncture or Chinese >>> >> herbs? >>> >> >>> >> Thanks so much >>> >> >>> >> Sharon >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, >>> >> including >>> >> board >>> >> approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a >>> >> free >>> >> discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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