Cimicifuga racemosa vs foetida/dahurica

[Guest guest]

Cousins, but not the same herb:

 

Black Cohosh is Cimicifuga racemosa,

and

Sheng Ma is Cimicfuga foetida or Cimicfuga dahurica

 

But then again, with the arbitrary substitution of herbs in the " wild, wild

East " : Who knows, maybe I'm wrong...maybe racmosa could also be

substituted?)

 

Yehuda

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" " <alonmarcus

 

Monday, July 25, 2005 4:03 PM

Re: Re: estrogen herbs

 

 

> Black Cohosh

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[Guest guest]

But then again, with the arbitrary substitution of herbs in the " wild, wild

East " : Who knows, maybe I'm wrong...maybe racmosa could also be

substituted?)

>>>>>I do not think so, they are quite diffrent

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " " <alonmarcus@w...>

wrote:

> But then again, with the arbitrary substitution of herbs in the " wild, wild

> East " : Who knows, maybe I'm wrong...maybe racmosa could also be

> substituted?)

> >>>>>I do not think so, they are quite diffrent

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black cohosh has strong indications in eclectic texts for dysmenorrhea,

perimenopausal sx

and joint pain. I think it is has some overlap with sheng ma, but is much

broader in its use.

It strikes me more as an herb that courses liver qi and quickens blood. The

action of black

cohosh is definitely not primarily ascending, IMO. It is hard to see how it

would help with

perimenopause if it was. Perhaps someone could comment on the biochemistry. If

they are

biochemically different, they do different things. The only traditional black

cohosh indication

that seems similar to sheng ma is a " dragging sensation in the lower body " , but

that alone is

not enough to consider it a spleen qi raising herb; that could be qi stag.

 

[Guest guest]

I tried to substitute sheng ma for vasomotor symptoms (hot flashes) and did not

get the same results as some of the black cohaosh products out there.

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Remember, however, that there are some substitutions used for sheng

ma that don't raise the clear yang.

 

 

On Jul 26, 2005, at 1:57 PM, wrote:

 

> I tried to substitute sheng ma for vasomotor symptoms (hot flashes)

> and did not get the same results as some of the black cohaosh

> products out there.

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