Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Dear Mike, I respectfully disagree, and speak from experience, not just theory. I have seen it with my wife's seizure disorder, which is specifically a disorder of " invisible phlegm " misting the channels, that prior to and during her seizures, there is a dramatic increase of thick, phlegmy pathogenic saliva, which one is clearly able to hear in her pharynx during respiration. My deduction would be that a proliferation of invisible phlegm would render it tangible. I would, further, love to see if any research has been done on the tangible nature of " invisible Phlegm " . I suspect that this phlegm is no more invisible than bacteria were before the microscope. Yehuda - " Mike Liaw " <mikeliaw Monday, July 25, 2005 3:11 PM Re: wei ling xian-throat obstruction JUST from fish bones? >A key difference between plum pit qi and fish bone obstruction is the >former is invisible whereas the later, visible. > > In the case of fish bone obstruction, I do not see why not using modern > intervention, i.e., guided by some scope and remove by physical means. > > Mike L. > > < wrote: > Dear friends, colleagues and teachers, > > A unique property of the herb Wei Ling Xian we always were taught was its > ability to dislodge fish bones, due to its acrid, salty and warm nature. > Yet, I wonder why it is also not indicated as an essential part of the > treatment for " plum pit qi " syndrome, meaning " invisible phlegm " throat > obstruction, or any other throat obstruction interfering with the ability > to swallow, for that matter. 'Would seem to make sense, no? > > Thanks, > > Yehuda > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 I did not say invisible phlegm is intangible. In fact, if it's invisible *and* intangible we probably don't get to see the patients in the first place.:-) Mike L. --- < wrote: > Dear Mike, > > I respectfully disagree, and speak from experience, > not just theory. I > have seen it with my wife's seizure disorder, which > is specifically a > disorder of " invisible phlegm " misting the channels, > that prior to and > during her seizures, there is a dramatic increase of > thick, phlegmy > pathogenic saliva, which one is clearly able to hear > in her pharynx during > respiration. My deduction would be that a > proliferation of invisible phlegm > would render it tangible. I would, further, love > to see if any research > has been done on the tangible nature of " invisible > Phlegm " . I suspect that > this phlegm is no more invisible than bacteria were > before the microscope. > > Yehuda > - > " Mike Liaw " <mikeliaw > > Monday, July 25, 2005 3:11 PM > Re: wei ling xian-throat obstruction > JUST from fish bones? > > > >A key difference between plum pit qi and fish bone > obstruction is the > >former is invisible whereas the later, visible. > > > > In the case of fish bone obstruction, I do not see > why not using modern > > intervention, i.e., guided by some scope and > remove by physical means. > > > > Mike L. > > > > < wrote: > > Dear friends, colleagues and teachers, > > > > A unique property of the herb Wei Ling Xian we > always were taught was its > > ability to dislodge fish bones, due to its acrid, > salty and warm nature. > > Yet, I wonder why it is also not indicated as an > essential part of the > > treatment for " plum pit qi " syndrome, meaning > " invisible phlegm " throat > > obstruction, or any other throat obstruction > interfering with the ability > > to swallow, for that matter. 'Would seem to make > sense, no? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yehuda > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various > professional services, including > > board approved continuing education classes, an > annual conference and a > > free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 There is an article in today's science times: in older people w/ osteoporosis what fills the space in the bones is fat. Interesting to think about in the context of most geriatric medicine being based on phlegm and blood stasis Cara > Dear Mike, > > I respectfully disagree, and speak from experience, not just theory. I > have seen it with my wife's seizure disorder, which is specifically a > disorder of " invisible phlegm " misting the channels, that prior to and > during her seizures, there is a dramatic increase of thick, phlegmy > pathogenic saliva, which one is clearly able to hear in her pharynx during > respiration. My deduction would be that a proliferation of invisible phlegm > would render it tangible. I would, further, love to see if any research > has been done on the tangible nature of " invisible Phlegm " . I suspect that > this phlegm is no more invisible than bacteria were before the microscope. > > Yehuda > - > " Mike Liaw " <mikeliaw > > Monday, July 25, 2005 3:11 PM > Re: wei ling xian-throat obstruction JUST from fish bones? > > >> >A key difference between plum pit qi and fish bone obstruction is the >> >former is invisible whereas the later, visible. >> > >> > In the case of fish bone obstruction, I do not see why not using modern >> > intervention, i.e., guided by some scope and remove by physical means. >> > >> > Mike L. >> > >> > < wrote: >> > Dear friends, colleagues and teachers, >> > >> > A unique property of the herb Wei Ling Xian we always were taught was its >> > ability to dislodge fish bones, due to its acrid, salty and warm nature. >> > Yet, I wonder why it is also not indicated as an essential part of the >> > treatment for " plum pit qi " syndrome, meaning " invisible phlegm " throat >> > obstruction, or any other throat obstruction interfering with the ability >> > to swallow, for that matter. 'Would seem to make sense, no? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Yehuda >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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