Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 I just checked several materia medicas, including the previous edition of your textbook (Bensky), and they are split on the dosage of dang shen as either 10-30 g/day or 3-9. The primary sources I used in my studies used the higher dosage and emphasized the need to use increased dosage for dang shen as a fairly standard rule, I thought. Not sure why the change in the new Bensky materia medica, but I've copied this to Chinese Herbal Medicine forum to see if there are other insights out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 I am away from home so I can only check a few source texts. The shanghai technology sixth edition Chinese medicinal textbook says 10-30 g. Shanghai tech's 5th and then 6th edition texts were the standard PRC curriculum till the 7th edition texts came out recently. The 7th edition curriculum is spread throughout multiple publishers. I have one book with me that is from the 7th edition (it is a MM put out by ren min wei sheng- their new book with tons of flow charts and tables)- it gives the dose range for dang shen as 9-30 g. The zhong yao da ci dian also lists the dose range at 9-30 g. I can check a few more books in the next couple days when I have access to them. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 , wrote: > I just checked several materia medicas, including the previous > edition of your textbook (Bensky), and they are split on the dosage > of dang shen as either 10-30 g/day or 3-9. The primary sources I > used in my studies used the higher dosage and emphasized the need to > use increased dosage for dang shen as a fairly standard rule, I > thought. Not sure why the change in the new Bensky materia medica, > but I've copied this to Chinese Herbal Medicine forum to see if > there are other insights out there. > I'm back home so I checked most of the rest of the primary Chinese books: All the books are titled " zhong yao xue " (as in 'Chinese medicinal study'), so I'm listing them by publisher. 7th edition titles represent the current PRC curriculum, 6th edition was the previous standard, and the 5th was the old standard. The 5th edition series is still considered by some to be the best, but they basically all have the same info and the later editions have made some expansions and minor improvements. Only the 7th edition is split among multiple publishers. 7th edition zhongguo zhongyiyao chubanshe (China Chinese Medical Publishing House) lists 9-30 g. 7th edition Hunan technology press lists 10-30 g. 5th and 6th edition (shanghai tech) both list 10-30 g. Ren Min Wei Sheng's big yellow text lists 10-30 g. There are two other main books that I need to check to complete the survey of the core texts (the " 21st century " 7th edition and the 5th edition teacher's book), but so far it looks like the higher dose range is the norm. zhong yao da ci dian, as noted previously, also has 9-30 g listed. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 thanks. , " Eric Brand " <smilinglotus> wrote: > , wrote: > > I just checked several materia medicas, including the previous > > edition of your textbook (Bensky), and they are split on the dosage > > of dang shen as either 10-30 g/day or 3-9. The primary sources I > > used in my studies used the higher dosage and emphasized the need to > > use increased dosage for dang shen as a fairly standard rule, I > > thought. Not sure why the change in the new Bensky materia medica, > > but I've copied this to Chinese Herbal Medicine forum to see if > > there are other insights out there. > > > > > I'm back home so I checked most of the rest of the primary Chinese books: > All the books are titled " zhong yao xue " (as in 'Chinese medicinal > study'), so I'm listing them by publisher. 7th edition titles > represent the current PRC curriculum, 6th edition was the previous > standard, and the 5th was the old standard. The 5th edition series is > still considered by some to be the best, but they basically all have > the same info and the later editions have made some expansions and > minor improvements. Only the 7th edition is split among multiple > publishers. > > 7th edition zhongguo zhongyiyao chubanshe (China Chinese Medical > Publishing House) lists 9-30 g. > 7th edition Hunan technology press lists 10-30 g. > 5th and 6th edition (shanghai tech) both list 10-30 g. > Ren Min Wei Sheng's big yellow text lists 10-30 g. > There are two other main books that I need to check to complete the > survey of the core texts (the " 21st century " 7th edition and the 5th > edition teacher's book), but so far it looks like the higher dose > range is the norm. > > zhong yao da ci dian, as noted previously, also has 9-30 g listed. > > Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 I finished my survey of the core materia medica textbooks with regard to Dang Shen. The " 21st century " zhong yao xue text by ren min wei sheng publishing house (part of the latest 7th edition textbook series) lists 10-30 g. The 5th edition teacher's book (published in Taiwan by zhuyin, but it is just a traditional character reprint of the PRC edition published by ren min wei sheng) lists 6-30 g. The pharmacopeia (the PRC text that specifies the standard species for each drug) lists 9-30 g. Basically, all the key modern texts list 10-30 g, with the exception of the 5th edition teacher's book, which goes as low as 6 g. The fact that some texts use 9 g and some use 10 g at the low end of the dose range is likely due to a desire for round numbers and rounding from the original dosage of 3 qian (9.375 g in PRC, or 11.25 g everywhere else). Does anyone know what the examination source text is for the Chinese versions of the CA and national exams? I've heard that one of the Chinese-language schools in LA uses the 6th edition (shanghai tech) as their class textbook, but I don't know what the other schools use or what book the exam questions come from. Eric , " " wrote: > thanks. > > > > , " Eric Brand " <smilinglotus> wrote: > > , wrote: > > > I just checked several materia medicas, including the previous > > > edition of your textbook (Bensky), and they are split on the dosage > > > of dang shen as either 10-30 g/day or 3-9. The primary sources I > > > used in my studies used the higher dosage and emphasized the need to > > > use increased dosage for dang shen as a fairly standard rule, I > > > thought. Not sure why the change in the new Bensky materia medica, > > > but I've copied this to Chinese Herbal Medicine forum to see if > > > there are other insights out there. > > > > > > > > > I'm back home so I checked most of the rest of the primary Chinese books: > > All the books are titled " zhong yao xue " (as in 'Chinese medicinal > > study'), so I'm listing them by publisher. 7th edition titles > > represent the current PRC curriculum, 6th edition was the previous > > standard, and the 5th was the old standard. The 5th edition series is > > still considered by some to be the best, but they basically all have > > the same info and the later editions have made some expansions and > > minor improvements. Only the 7th edition is split among multiple > > publishers. > > > > 7th edition zhongguo zhongyiyao chubanshe (China Chinese Medical > > Publishing House) lists 9-30 g. > > 7th edition Hunan technology press lists 10-30 g. > > 5th and 6th edition (shanghai tech) both list 10-30 g. > > Ren Min Wei Sheng's big yellow text lists 10-30 g. > > There are two other main books that I need to check to complete the > > survey of the core texts (the " 21st century " 7th edition and the 5th > > edition teacher's book), but so far it looks like the higher dose > > range is the norm. > > > > zhong yao da ci dian, as noted previously, also has 9-30 g listed. > > > > Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 My two volume " zhong yao xue " , 940 chinese pages, by shanghai-zhongyi-xueyuan publishing house, 1988, 2nd ed 1989 says: 3-10g; large dosage15-30g; to be boiled. I use 2 g/day as a regular dose and 3g/day as a large dose. I have been using these 'microscopic' dosages for 15 years now. , " Eric Brand " <smilinglotus> wrote: > I finished my survey of the core materia medica textbooks with regard > to Dang Shen. The " 21st century " zhong yao xue text by ren min wei > sheng publishing house (part of the latest 7th edition textbook > series) lists 10-30 g. The 5th edition teacher's book (published in > Taiwan by zhuyin, but it is just a traditional character reprint of > the PRC edition published by ren min wei sheng) lists 6-30 g. The > pharmacopeia (the PRC text that specifies the standard species for > each drug) lists 9-30 g. > > Basically, all the key modern texts list 10-30 g, with the exception > of the 5th edition teacher's book, which goes as low as 6 g. The fact > that some texts use 9 g and some use 10 g at the low end of the dose > range is likely due to a desire for round numbers and rounding from > the original dosage of 3 qian (9.375 g in PRC, or 11.25 g everywhere > else). > > Does anyone know what the examination source text is for the Chinese > versions of the CA and national exams? I've heard that one of the > Chinese-language schools in LA uses the 6th edition (shanghai tech) as > their class textbook, but I don't know what the other schools use or > what book the exam questions come from. > > Eric > > > 7th edition zhongguo zhongyiyao chubanshe (China Chinese Medical > > > Publishing House) lists 9-30 g. > > > 7th edition Hunan technology press lists 10-30 g. > > > 5th and 6th edition (shanghai tech) both list 10-30 g. > > > Ren Min Wei Sheng's big yellow text lists 10-30 g. > > > There are two other main books that I need to check to complete the > > > survey of the core texts (the " 21st century " 7th edition and the 5th > > > edition teacher's book), but so far it looks like the higher dose > > > range is the norm. > > > > > > zhong yao da ci dian, as noted previously, also has 9-30 g listed. > > > > > > Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 > > > On Behalf Of tayfx > Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:46 AM > > Re: dang shen dosage > > My two volume " zhong yao xue " , 940 chinese pages, by > shanghai-zhongyi-xueyuan publishing house, 1988, 2nd ed 1989 > says: 3-10g; large dosage15-30g; to be boiled. > I use 2 g/day as a regular dose and 3g/day as a large dose. > I have been using these 'microscopic' dosages for 15 years now. Why?? -Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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