RE: estrogen herbs now screening patients

[Guest guest]

Mike, yes and I heartily agree there as well. Although many

of our colleagues fail to see the accumulated affects (such

as vaccines, antibiotics and chemicals (in food and food

chain) as well as the belief in the miracle of western

medicine. (a pill for everything and don't worry). So the

classics are more important.

 

it seems to be (and I may be wrong here) but TCM came about

because they needed a heath care system that got the workers

back into the field as fast as possible. [after the

communist came to power, the west withdrew their meds] That

is the position our field seems to be in today. Most

patients just want to get back to what they've been doing

(that got them in trouble in the first place) as fast as

possible. Classical Acupuncture - Five Elements - dealt with

the quality of life; not the quantity of life of TCM

emphasis,

Quite simply you can not sell health insurance to a

teen-ager.

 

Relatively recently I began screening my patients more

carefully. Where I did not feel confident of success I

informed them and advised them to seek another practioner.

Less patients more success. [i have a rare opportunity to do

this as I have a home office, a very nice one I might add,

and a successful internet business).

 

I recently saw two ethnic Chinese (mainland) who complained

of stomach disorders and insomnia. Both had been to Chinese

acupuncturists in San Francisco, taken their herbs and done

full courses (2) of treatments. Unresolved they went to

local western MD's and had been given prescription pills.

Close to a year now still severe insomnia. Both had been

working here for over seven years and missed their families

(still in China).

I told them I could give them acupuncture and herbs that

they should come in as often as they felt the need and not

to worry. I also said __with certainly__ that their

condition would not resolve. They had to go back and see

their families as soon as possible. [a very difficult

logistic problem with certain consequences] One decided to

go back and asked my wife (Chinese) to help make

arrangements.

 

comments?

 

Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:29:48 +0000

" mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1

RE: RE: estrogen herbs

 

Ed,

 

I see your point but would like to add that today we are

seeing the results

of various supressive therapies used in succession.

 

Other types of practitioners, such as homeopaths, have

commented on this as

well. The concept of an onion has been used to describe

this. When old

injuries and illnesses are never fully allowed to clear and

others come this

leaves an ugly pucture for us. Many of us as practitioners

are not fully

following our own traditions when it comes to food, fasting,

etc. The

culture of the times was just as important in people's

health. Thank you

for your dialogue.

 

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

[Guest guest]

Ed,

 

I like your response except for one item.

 

" Although many of our colleagues fail to see the accumulated affects (such

as vaccines, antibiotics and chemicals (in food and food

chain) as well as the belief in the miracle of western

medicine. (a pill for everything and don't worry). So the

classics are more important. "

 

I am not following your argument and conclusion as to " why " the classics are

more important. I agree that they are but fail to see this in your

response. The modern items listed can and will continue to destroy health

until they are removed or eliminated from the body. They can and will

create a whole host of varied signs and symptoms that might fool one into

thinking that a person has a particular illness. Thimerosol, a mercury

derivative, is a classic example and has a huge list of negatives associated

with it.

 

My statement of concern with these things is that we may be missing a huge

arena in patient care simply because we focus on these possibly misleading

signs and symptoms. Do we really offer any hope or reprieve to a patient

who is poisoned due to amalgam breakdown or vaccine overdose? These things

are a part of modern people and we should know what and how they impact us.

What do you think?

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

 

> " Ed Kasper LAc " <eddy

>

>

> RE: estrogen herbs now screening patients

>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:52:42 -0700

>

>Mike, yes and I heartily agree there as well. Although many

>of our colleagues fail to see the accumulated affects (such

>as vaccines, antibiotics and chemicals (in food and food

>chain) as well as the belief in the miracle of western

>medicine. (a pill for everything and don't worry). So the

>classics are more important.

>

>it seems to be (and I may be wrong here) but TCM came about

>because they needed a heath care system that got the workers

>back into the field as fast as possible. [after the

>communist came to power, the west withdrew their meds] That

>is the position our field seems to be in today. Most

>patients just want to get back to what they've been doing

>(that got them in trouble in the first place) as fast as

>possible. Classical Acupuncture - Five Elements - dealt with

>the quality of life; not the quantity of life of TCM

>emphasis,

>Quite simply you can not sell health insurance to a

>teen-ager.

>

>Relatively recently I began screening my patients more

>carefully. Where I did not feel confident of success I

>informed them and advised them to seek another practioner.

>Less patients more success. [i have a rare opportunity to do

>this as I have a home office, a very nice one I might add,

>and a successful internet business).

>

>I recently saw two ethnic Chinese (mainland) who complained

>of stomach disorders and insomnia. Both had been to Chinese

>acupuncturists in San Francisco, taken their herbs and done

>full courses (2) of treatments. Unresolved they went to

>local western MD's and had been given prescription pills.

>Close to a year now still severe insomnia. Both had been

>working here for over seven years and missed their families

>(still in China).

>I told them I could give them acupuncture and herbs that

>they should come in as often as they felt the need and not

>to worry. I also said __with certainly__ that their

>condition would not resolve. They had to go back and see

>their families as soon as possible. [a very difficult

>logistic problem with certain consequences] One decided to

>go back and asked my wife (Chinese) to help make

>arrangements.

>

>comments?

>

>Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA.

>

>

>

>

> Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:29:48 +0000

> " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1

>RE: RE: estrogen herbs

>

>Ed,

>

>I see your point but would like to add that today we are

>seeing the results

>of various supressive therapies used in succession.

>

>Other types of practitioners, such as homeopaths, have

>commented on this as

>well. The concept of an onion has been used to describe

>this. When old

>injuries and illnesses are never fully allowed to clear and

>others come this

>leaves an ugly pucture for us. Many of us as practitioners

>are not fully

>following our own traditions when it comes to food, fasting,

>etc. The

>culture of the times was just as important in people's

>health. Thank you

>for your dialogue.

>

>

>Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if Ed's statement is worded correctly. However, to respond

to your point, when we talk about the importance of the classics, we

should be emphasizing the principles and theory. Clinical details

need to be updated in every generation, including our own. We apply

the principles in the classics to the present day situation.

 

 

On Jul 28, 2005, at 3:03 PM, mike Bowser wrote:

 

> My statement of concern with these things is that we may be missing

> a huge

> arena in patient care simply because we focus on these possibly

> misleading

> signs and symptoms. Do we really offer any hope or reprieve to a

> patient

> who is poisoned due to amalgam breakdown or vaccine overdose?

> These things

> are a part of modern people and we should know what and how they

> impact us.

> What do you think?

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Zev

 

Agreed, and as long as an offensive substance continues to exert its

influence there will be signs and symptoms.

 

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

 

> " " <zrosenbe

>

>

>Re: RE: estrogen herbs now screening patients

>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:06:47 -0700

>

>I wonder if Ed's statement is worded correctly. However, to respond

>to your point, when we talk about the importance of the classics, we

>should be emphasizing the principles and theory. Clinical details

>need to be updated in every generation, including our own. We apply

>the principles in the classics to the present day situation.

>

>

>On Jul 28, 2005, at 3:03 PM, mike Bowser wrote:

>

> > My statement of concern with these things is that we may be missing

> > a huge

> > arena in patient care simply because we focus on these possibly

> > misleading

> > signs and symptoms. Do we really offer any hope or reprieve to a

> > patient

> > who is poisoned due to amalgam breakdown or vaccine overdose?

> > These things

> > are a part of modern people and we should know what and how they

> > impact us.

> > What do you think?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've written on this subject in the past, and made a very strong

point about the influence of drugs on the clinical picture of our

patients. I need to find the time to update these articles, although

other writers have taken on this subject to my satisfaction since then.

 

Z'ev

On Jul 28, 2005, at 7:26 PM, mike Bowser wrote:

 

> Zev

>

> Agreed, and as long as an offensive substance continues to exert its

> influence there will be signs and symptoms.

>

>

> Mike W. Bowser, L Ac