Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Mike, Actually a number of 'immigrants with doctoral training' are already practicing in Cleveland, Toledo, Cincinnati, and Columbus. A recently opened acupuncture school in Columbus is directed by a Chinese doctor (one with doctoral cm training from China). I don't know that I want to take this one on without a perceptible groundswell of support which I don't see. Sadly, my colleagues in Ohio seem okay with a limited practice of acupuncture. That leaves the practice of chinese herbalism up to the healthfood retailers and medical doctors with little or no training. Frances Gander, R.Ac. >I wonder what they will do when more Asian immigrants with doctoral training >or those in the ACAOM recognized doctoral programs start practice there. Or >maybe they never will, do to such limited thinking. > >There are also some Ph D programs in the states and in China. What Ohio has >done is strictly limit OM/TCM to acupuncture and moxibustion and allows for >nothing else. They have even attempted to limit any recognition of dgrees >and advertising of this. Does the word " technician " mean anything to anyone >here? My heart goes out to the souls who live thru this persecution and >hope that they can eventually change this. Best of luck to you. > > >Mike W. Bowser, L Ac* > >Ohio is the only state in which acupuncture is considered a limited >>> branch of medicine. The Medical Board licenses acupuncturists and >>> regulates acupuncture schools and practitioners through its standing >>> committee on the Limited Branches and Alternative Medicine with the >>> assistance of the Acupuncture Advisory Committee.* > > >> >> Q: Does an Ohio acupuncture license allow me to practice Chinese >> herbal medicine or as a Doctor of Oriental Medicine? * >> >> **A:*** H.B. 341 of the 123rd General Assembly created licensure for >> the practice of acupuncture. Acupuncture is defined in Section >> 4762.01(A) of the Ohio Revised Code (ORC) as “a form of health care >> performed by the insertion and removal of specialized needles, with or >> without the application of moxibustion or electrical stimulation, to >> specific areas of the body.” Moxibustion is defined in paragraph (B) >> of that same section as “the use of an herbal heat source on one or >> more acupuncture points.” The scope of practice of an Ohio licensed >> acupuncturist is thus limited. In addition, ORC Section 4762.08 >> specifically limits the ways in which a licensed acupuncturist may >> hold himself or herself out to the public. That section states in part >> that “(t)he person shall not use other titles, initials, or >> abbreviations in conjunction with the person’s practice of >> acupuncture, including the title ‘doctor’.” >> >> ORC Section 4731.34 defines the unlicensed practice of medicine. This >> definition includes language again related to how someone holds >> themself out to the public. In addition, the section includes language >> describing a person who “examines or diagnoses” and who “prescribes, >> advises, recommends, administers, or dispenses… a drug or medicine, >> …or treatment, of whatever nature.” A person needs a medical license >> or some other license with specific statutory authority to practice in >> this manner. Unlicensed practice is a felony in Ohio and grounds for >> discipline for a Board licensee (please see ORC Sections 4731.41 and >> 4731.99). >> >> Clearly, Ohio has excluded the use of Chinese herbal medicine from the >> acupuncture scope of practice with the exception of the limited use of >> moxibustion in conjunction with acupuncture. Furthermore, Chinese >> herbal medicine is considered the practice of medicine in Ohio and is >> therefore within the scope of practice of licensed physicians.* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Sorry to that. It is the people of this country who have the most to lose due to unnecessary limiting of CM practice. It will probably take a huge public outcry, lots of $ or a lawsuit to change anything. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >frances gander <threetreasures > > > Ohio regs >Sun, 07 Aug 2005 09:55:20 -0400 > >Mike, > >Actually a number of 'immigrants with doctoral training' are already >practicing in Cleveland, Toledo, Cincinnati, and Columbus. A recently >opened acupuncture school in Columbus is directed by a Chinese doctor >(one with doctoral cm training from China). I don't know that I want to >take this one on without a perceptible groundswell of support which I >don't see. Sadly, my colleagues in Ohio seem okay with a limited >practice of acupuncture. That leaves the practice of chinese herbalism >up to the healthfood retailers and medical doctors with little or no >training. > >Frances Gander, R.Ac. > > > >I wonder what they will do when more Asian immigrants with doctoral >training > >or those in the ACAOM recognized doctoral programs start practice there. >Or > >maybe they never will, do to such limited thinking. > > > >There are also some Ph D programs in the states and in China. What Ohio >has > >done is strictly limit OM/TCM to acupuncture and moxibustion and allows >for > >nothing else. They have even attempted to limit any recognition of >dgrees > >and advertising of this. Does the word " technician " mean anything to >anyone > >here? My heart goes out to the souls who live thru this persecution and > >hope that they can eventually change this. Best of luck to you. > > > > > >Mike W. Bowser, L Ac* > > > > >Ohio is the only state in which acupuncture is considered a limited > >>> branch of medicine. The Medical Board licenses acupuncturists and > >>> regulates acupuncture schools and practitioners through its standing > >>> committee on the Limited Branches and Alternative Medicine with the > >>> assistance of the Acupuncture Advisory Committee.* > > > > > >> > >> Q: Does an Ohio acupuncture license allow me to practice Chinese > >> herbal medicine or as a Doctor of Oriental Medicine? * > >> > >> **A:*** H.B. 341 of the 123rd General Assembly created licensure for > >> the practice of acupuncture. Acupuncture is defined in Section > >> 4762.01(A) of the Ohio Revised Code (ORC) as “a form of health care > >> performed by the insertion and removal of specialized needles, with or > >> without the application of moxibustion or electrical stimulation, to > >> specific areas of the body.” Moxibustion is defined in paragraph (B) > >> of that same section as “the use of an herbal heat source on one or > >> more acupuncture points.” The scope of practice of an Ohio licensed > >> acupuncturist is thus limited. In addition, ORC Section 4762.08 > >> specifically limits the ways in which a licensed acupuncturist may > >> hold himself or herself out to the public. That section states in part > >> that “(t)he person shall not use other titles, initials, or > >> abbreviations in conjunction with the person’s practice of > >> acupuncture, including the title ‘doctor’.” > >> > >> ORC Section 4731.34 defines the unlicensed practice of medicine. This > >> definition includes language again related to how someone holds > >> themself out to the public. In addition, the section includes language > >> describing a person who “examines or diagnoses” and who “prescribes, > >> advises, recommends, administers, or dispenses… a drug or medicine, > >> …or treatment, of whatever nature.” A person needs a medical license > >> or some other license with specific statutory authority to practice in > >> this manner. Unlicensed practice is a felony in Ohio and grounds for > >> discipline for a Board licensee (please see ORC Sections 4731.41 and > >> 4731.99). > >> > >> Clearly, Ohio has excluded the use of Chinese herbal medicine from the > >> acupuncture scope of practice with the exception of the limited use of > >> moxibustion in conjunction with acupuncture. Furthermore, Chinese > >> herbal medicine is considered the practice of medicine in Ohio and is > >> therefore within the scope of practice of licensed physicians.* > > > > > >Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including >board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a >free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Does it say you can make an acupuncture diagnosis? David Molony In a message dated 8/6/05 6:07:26 PM, threetreasures writes: > No one asked, but thought you'd be interested in the state of affairs in > Ohio as regards the practice of Chinese medicine. Here the limitations > are clearly spelled out. One safeguard is to make sure that I do not > state anywhere or say that I 'examine or diagnose' or 'prescribe, > advise, recommend, administer, or dispense… a drug or medicine, …or > treatment, of whatever nature.' It is legal for a physician to practice > Chinese herbal medicine in Ohio, even though he/she has had no training. > David Molony 101 Bridge Street Catasauqua, PA 18032 Phone (610)264-2755 Fax (610) 264-7292 **********Confidentiality Notice   ********** This electronic transmission and any attached documents or other writings are confidential and are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) identified above. This message may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure under applicable law, including the FTC Safeguard Rule and U.S.-EU Safe Harbor Principles. If you are the intended recipient, you are responsible for establishing appropriate safeguards to maintain data integrity and security. If the receiver of this information is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, reading, dissemination, distribution, copying or storage of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender by return email and delete the electronic transmission, including all attachments from your system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 There has to be enough OM folks there to have a few who work politically and who treat the right people in the state capitol. Then, with others inthe state, the slow climb to self determination. David Molony In a message dated 8/6/05 6:16:33 PM, naturaldoc1 writes: > There are also some Ph D programs in the states and in China. What Ohio > has > done is strictly limit OM/TCM to acupuncture and moxibustion and allows for > nothing else. They have even attempted to limit any recognition of dgrees > and advertising of this. Does the word " technician " mean anything to anyone > here? My heart goes out to the souls who live thru this persecution and > hope that they can eventually change this. Best of luck to you. > David Molony 101 Bridge Street Catasauqua, PA 18032 Phone (610)264-2755 Fax (610) 264-7292 **********Confidentiality Notice ********** This electronic transmission and any attached documents or other writings are confidential and are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) identified above. This message may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure under applicable law, including the FTC Safeguard Rule and U.S.-EU Safe Harbor Principles. If you are the intended recipient, you are responsible for establishing appropriate safeguards to maintain data integrity and security. If the receiver of this information is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, reading, dissemination, distribution, copying or storage of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender by return email and delete the electronic transmission, including all attachments from your system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 In a message dated 8/7/05 9:55:26 AM, threetreasures writes: > That leaves the practice of chinese herbalism > up to the healthfood retailers and medical doctors with little or no > training. > Ohio has one of the worst laws in the country regarding diet and nutrition. The dieticians are much worse than the MD's, politically. David Molony David Molony 101 Bridge Street Catasauqua, PA 18032 Phone (610)264-2755 Fax (610) 264-7292 **********Confidentiality Notice ********** This electronic transmission and any attached documents or other writings are confidential and are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) identified above. This message may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure under applicable law, including the FTC Safeguard Rule and U.S.-EU Safe Harbor Principles. If you are the intended recipient, you are responsible for establishing appropriate safeguards to maintain data integrity and security. If the receiver of this information is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, reading, dissemination, distribution, copying or storage of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender by return email and delete the electronic transmission, including all attachments from your system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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