Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Speaking of treating preventatively/treating on the basis of lab results: Has anyone had success treating genetic-type high cholesterol? A former patient was recently dx'd with this (lab results obtained at general check-up); I have not seen her in awhile but she has a tendency toward mild Liver Qi invading Sp/St. She reports no major health symptoms currently but wants to avoid statins if possible and her MD is open-minded. (I don't know about LDL/HDL ratio; triglycerides are fine, BP is fine.) My general instinct would be to treat what I see (TCM pattern-wise), regardless of western dx info, and just see if improving TCM function affects the lab values. (And, if the values don't get any worse and she doesn't have any sx, should one worry? could just be normal variation?) I am open to input from those more into Naturopathy/functional (bio)medicine, though my goal is to get to a point of feeling really competent in the medicine I studied! : ) Any thoughts and experience would be appreciated. Thanks, Nora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Has anyone had success treating genetic-type high cholesterol? >>>>>That is what i have and the only therapy that really helps is redyeast rice at high doses with niacin Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Alon, As per the red yeast rice, what do you consider a high dose? And what form are works best for you, capsules, bulk decoction, extract? Thanks, -Danny > Has anyone had success treating genetic-type high cholesterol? > >>>>>> That is what i have and the only therapy that really helps is >>>>>> redyeast rice at high doses with niacin >>>>>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Hi Nora, I had looked into this for a patient I had a few years afo. I found that Health Concerns has a couple of products specifically for high cholesterol. I don;t have any clinical results though - the patient decided not to pursue it. Nora <nora wrote: Speaking of treating preventatively/treating on the basis of lab results: Has anyone had success treating genetic-type high cholesterol? A former patient was recently dx'd with this (lab results obtained at general check-up); I have not seen her in awhile but she has a tendency toward mild Liver Qi invading Sp/St. She reports no major health symptoms currently but wants to avoid statins if possible and her MD is open-minded. (I don't know about LDL/HDL ratio; triglycerides are fine, BP is fine.) My general instinct would be to treat what I see (TCM pattern-wise), regardless of western dx info, and just see if improving TCM function affects the lab values. (And, if the values don't get any worse and she doesn't have any sx, should one worry? could just be normal variation?) I am open to input from those more into Naturopathy/functional (bio)medicine, though my goal is to get to a point of feeling really competent in the medicine I studied! : ) Any thoughts and experience would be appreciated. Thanks, Nora Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 I take a standarized extract with 0.5% total monacolins. I need 3000mg with 2g of niacin. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Alon, Have you tried policosanol? Ann Has anyone had success treating genetic-type high cholesterol? >>>>>That is what i have and the only therapy that really helps is redyeast rice at high doses with niacin Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 policosanol >>>>> Not on myself but on patients. Very small effect Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Some sources have suggested that he shou wu can reduce cholesterol and some of my patients tried it but with no sucess but they reported improved bowel motions , more energy and increased linido but others who had a hot constitition or spleen xu reported loose stools and pimples which I suggested might happen. Heiko Lade M.H.Sc.(TCM) Lecturer and clinic supervisor Auckland College of Natural Medicine Website: www.acnm.co.nz - snakeoil.works Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:52 AM Re: genetic high cholesterol Alon, Have you tried policosanol? Ann Has anyone had success treating genetic-type high cholesterol? >>>>>That is what i have and the only therapy that really helps is redyeast rice at high doses with niacin Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 reduce cholesterol >>>> Heiko, there are several other herbs that have been reported to reduce cholesterol. I have tried many formulas over the years on many patients and have not found predictable significant responses.I have tried pattern diagnosis as well as so-called clinically proven formulas. Occasionally a patient would do very well but the % overall was low. With red yeast rice you get as predictable an outcome as with any Statin drug, of course red yeast is a Statin drug with all the possible side effects. I just read an animal study that showed redyeast rice reducing coQ10 levels like other statins. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 I just read an animal study that showed redyeast rice reducing coQ10 levels like other statins. so it looks it is just back to plain old exercise to reduce cholesterol.........is there not a study to confirm that exercise works well to reduce cholesterol Heiko Lade M.H.Sc.(TCM) Lecturer and clinic supervisor Auckland College of Natural Medicine Website: www.acnm.co.nz - Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:21 PM Re: genetic high cholesterol reduce cholesterol >>>> Heiko, there are several other herbs that have been reported to reduce cholesterol. I have tried many formulas over the years on many patients and have not found predictable significant responses.I have tried pattern diagnosis as well as so-called clinically proven formulas. Occasionally a patient would do very well but the % overall was low. With red yeast rice you get as predictable an outcome as with any Statin drug, of course red yeast is a Statin drug with all the possible side effects. I just read an animal study that showed redyeast rice reducing coQ10 levels like other statins. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Alon, Given (as you say) that red yeast rice is, basically, a statin, what would the benefit be to prescribing it over just having the patient go ahead and take the MD-prescribed statins? Same possible side effects but possibly less strong? Nora P.S. thanks for sharing the wisdom of your personal and clinical experience... wrote: >reduce cholesterol > > >Heiko, there are several other herbs that have been reported to reduce cholesterol. I have tried many formulas over the years on many patients and have not found predictable significant responses.I have tried pattern diagnosis as well as so-called clinically proven formulas. Occasionally a patient would do very well but the % overall was low. With red yeast rice you get as predictable an outcome as with any Statin drug, of course red yeast is a Statin drug with all the possible side effects. I just read an animal study that showed redyeast rice reducing coQ10 levels like other statins. > > > > >Oakland, CA 94609 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Given (as you say) that red yeast rice is, basically, a statin, what would the benefit be to prescribing it over just having the patient go ahead and take the MD-prescribed statins? Same possible side effects but possibly less strong? >>>>>> I think this is very difficult to answer. While we would like to think that somehow by being a natural product and by having various monocolins, sterols and other ingredients, red yeast may be less dangerous (and all statins are toxic). It is faith medicine since we really do not know. It may be more dangerous than Pharmaceuticals since it can contain known liver toxic contaminant if not processes carefully. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 so it looks it is just back to plain old exercise to reduce cholesterol.........is there not a study to confirm that exercise works well to reduce cholesterol >>>>> Life style works for the majority of patients. It may not work for those with familial disorders Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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